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  •  you should be smart enough to understand (3+ / 0-)

    that this wasn't obama's promise to keep.  he didn't force anyone to get rid of their coverage - it was the fact they had shitty policies to begin with, that would not hold up with the law, that meant they had to get new policies.  the insurance co's could always stop offering plans - this they could do before obama care as wella s afterwards.

    •  These insurance plans were canceled because the (3+ / 0-)

      ACA required it. So yes, he did force those people with the junk insurance plans to "get rid" of their coverage.

      It doesn't matter whether the plans were junk or not, or why the law required them to be canceled - he made the promise with no exceptions, not a single one, and it was his promise to keep, because the ACA is his law.

      •  Insurance companies, not ACA (4+ / 0-)

        The ACA specifically allowed insurance companies to keep offering their pre-ACA plans forever, so any claim that the ACA took anyone's insurance away is a lie (and several insurance companies that claimed it lost in court, so it's not just my opinion, it's a fact of law). If the insurance company chooses to cancel the plan anyway, that's up to them - the ACA quite clearly didn't force insurance carriers to continue plans that they wanted to cancel.

        That being said, Obama should have added the caveat in that speech that while the ACA won't take anyone's pre-ACA insurance plan away, their insurance carrier can, because insurance carriers cancel 40-70% of all plans every year. That caveat was in the documentation of the ACA, and was well understood by everyone analyzing the ACA at the time, but the fact that the details were in the documentation but not in the speech is being used to attack Obama. He should have anticipated that line of attack and kept the important limitation (the ACA won't take away your insurance company, but your carrier might) in the speech even though it's not as clean a line to deliver.

        •  Now this is a fascinating claim (2+ / 1-)
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          mikeVA
          so any claim that the ACA took anyone's insurance away is a lie (and several insurance companies that claimed it lost in court, so it's not just my opinion, it's a fact of law).
          I frankly think it's a load of bullshit - there has not been enough time for any such case to go to court and get a final ruling - but I could be wrong.

          Can you provide a cite?

          I seriously doubt it.

        •  This is also a general load of nonsense (2+ / 0-)
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          The ACA specifically allowed insurance companies to keep offering their pre-ACA plans forever, so any claim that the ACA took anyone's insurance away is a lie
          Mind explaining then what this was for?
          President Obama relented to pressure from the public and his own party Thursday and changed one of the bedrock requirements of the new health-care law to fulfill his promise to allow people to keep their insurance plans if they want.

          ...

          “There have been times where I thought we were . . . slapped around a little bit unjustly. This one’s deserved, all right? It’s on us,” Obama said regarding the policy cancellation issue, which contradicted his repeated promises that people would be able to keep insurance plans they liked.

          Obama said insurance companies could continue for another year to offer health plans sold to individuals and small businesses that do not meet requirements under the new law that set minimum standards for the benefits that policies must cover.

          •  The cancelled plans.. (3+ / 0-)
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            sulthernao, mikeVA, petesmom

            were issued after the ACA came into effect, i.e, for the years 2011, 2012, and 2013.  Any plans in effect in 2010 were grandfathered.  

            It's the insurance companies that are most at fault in the whole cancelled plans mess, and it's maddening that they are not being held to account by the media for this.  These companies issued millions of policies that they new full well were non-ACA compliant and would have to be cancelled at the end of 2013.  Did they tell their customers this?  No-o-o-o-o-o-o-o!

      •  that is a childish understanding (2+ / 0-)
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        TrueBlueMajority, petesmom

        obama didn't force anyone to do anything - it's not like he is flying around the US forcing people at gunpoint to discontinue their health insurance.  this was all a massive game by the insurance companies - obama even extended the policy lifetimes by a whole friggin' year and the insurance companies are still cancelling those policies.

        It doesn't matter whether the plans were junk or not, or why the law required them to be canceled ...
        it kinda does matter that these plans were not compliant with the new insurance standards!  my old employer provided plan didn't meet with it so that old plan was canceled and a new one took it's place.  
        ... he made the promise with no exceptions, not a single one, and it was his promise to keep, because the ACA is his law.
        again, this is childish!  it was never obama's promise to keep because he wasn't selling the insurance plans!
        ... because the ACA is his law
        it is the law of the US.  it's mine, it's yours, its everyone's law.

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