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  •  This actually illustrates (58+ / 0-)

    why we need to be on Facebook, and Twitter, and other forms of social media -- we need to try and reach people where they are. Sure, we won't change the minds of every person, but if even one person reads what we write and starts to think about their own preconceptions, well, that's a start.

    There's only one rule that I know of, babies -- goddammit, you've got to be kind. -- Kurt Vonnegut

    by Cali Scribe on Thu Dec 26, 2013 at 12:15:22 PM PST

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    •  That reminds me of one Facebook conversation I had (11+ / 0-)

      I had said that I hadn't signed up for health insurance because my boss forgot to ask of I wanted it. A few months later, I wound up in the hospital and the bills drained my bank account.

      A friend of the friend whose comment I answered told me that my misfortune was my own responsibility, but the weird thing is, he would not call me a loser.

      Ultimately, I told him to "turn off the smarm, I can see right through you."

      I should have asked the guy what value he was upholding when he refused to use the L word, and how that value was upheld when his attitude, though unspoken, was perfectly obvious.

      Freedom's just another word for not enough to eat. --Paul Krugman's characterization of conservative attitudes.

      by Judge Moonbox on Thu Dec 26, 2013 at 12:55:26 PM PST

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    •  Exactly (6+ / 0-)

      Since we're drowned out by the brainwashing drone from tv and radio, the internet is our only way to save our democracy.

    •  We won't change the minds of the RWNJs (34+ / 0-)

      We may help their friends, relatives, and associates feel more supported in standing up to the WRNJ's bull. THAT is where our power lies on social media. Forget the loudmouths, it's the silent bystanders we're trying to reach. Thus, always do your best to be calm, clear, and concise.

      There have been a number of times I've received private messages from people after they've witnessed an exchange, thanking me for speaking out, because they couldn't personally (for either personal or business reasons).

      People gain hope from seeing that there are others who think the same way. If we let the bullies dominate the conversation unchallenged, we are allowing others to believe they are alone.

      •  This is very important. Respond to the loudmouths (15+ / 0-)

        but understand that it's the bystanders you're trying to reach.  Stay calm and clear for the sake of the bystanders.

        --------------------- “These are troubling times. Corporation are treated like people. People are treated like things. …And if we ever needed to vote, we sure do need to vote now.” -- Rev. Dr. William J. Barber

        by Fiona West on Thu Dec 26, 2013 at 07:36:43 PM PST

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      •  Their children and grandchildren (1+ / 0-)
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        most likely. Sometimes nieces and nephews. It just doesn't take with the young the way it used to do before the Internet and diversity on TV.

        Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

        by Mokurai on Thu Dec 26, 2013 at 11:23:02 PM PST

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        ACTLY. Recently I posted that I was sick or all the virulent hatred aimed at our President and that he was duly elected and that it was not only unpatriotic but made Americans look bad to be so hateful toward their president. If you don' like him, support your candidate. Until today the noise on my Facebook died down considerably. I don't think I was unfriended much. Several people sent private PMs saying they were sick of it too.  I live in a conservative small town. I have a public Facebook because I use it primarily for business. I was worried it might affect business but it didn't.  There is a limit to how far I will push and I save the big pen for the day when I really need to defend something or someone. I think the ugliness of Rush and the Duck guys is even getting to the right. I know many women who are just to the point of throwing up. They aren't going to change their core values, but they will change their men, if you get my drift.

      •  Definitely, and sometimes you make a friend (0+ / 0-)

        A few of the people on my FL on FB are people who were at my back going to war with other people over the crap they post (including in my case a few people that seem to live on FB's agitators list), heck I chewed over someone that supports that ass Arpaio just last night because they posted something about how tough he is on inmates, without all the facts (my first GF [12 years ago now] lived in Yuma so I'm no stranger to Sheriff Joe's BS), add the fact history demonstrates that sort of crap does nothing to reduce crime.
        So yes while going at this crap often won't change the minds of the people we most hope to influence, we at least give others the courage to express their own beliefs or sway those who are still undecided in where they stand themselves.

        Better education is the best we can hope for, and hopefully will continue to improve in the generations to come producing more inquiring and open minds in the future.

    •  Good behaviour matters (1+ / 0-)
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      'Reaching people who are not yet convinced' is a reason we should always try to be as well-behaved as possible (beyond its being a good end in itself), as well as 'as rational, and as reasonable' (the two are not the identical, viz Ms Rand)---people of good will will be more likely to agree with our opinions if they feel they'd like to be like us. (I first heard this bit of wisdom from a Christian exhorting other Christians not to make Christians look like people no non-Christian would want to be.)

      Very few people, perhaps none, really go from first principles, unbiased evidence, and reason to reach most of their conclusions about what are goods and how we'd best achieve them---instead, we (I, too, am a sinner, and likely you too) hear people whom they love or who sound authoritative or are deemed admirable and adopt their opinions, and the 'evidence' and 'arguments' slot into place...another Christian preacher exhorted 'Believing is seeing.'  (And the process is circular:  the more you agree with someone, the more likely you are to exaggerate their other virtues and minimise their failings, since to do otherwise is to engender cognitive dissonance, which is painful for most.)

      Of course, there are those who will find some conservative advocates compelling precisely because those advocates  are truculent: they value truculence as 'authentic' (true, but irrelevant, as many authentically believe nonsense and worse) or 'manly' (not as I define it, but as many do), or admire that someone else thinks much as they do but is less timid than they about saying it, or just think that passion is the best argument...and once they are admired, their refusal to let the Truth as they see it be altered by mere facts is seen as 'sticking to their principles', their enjoyment of the prospect of the suffering of the weak to be 'hard-headedness', and (even more so than before) their obnoxiousness proof that they're on the right track.  I doubt we can get such...or want them.

      Shorter: when you state your views, be a person other people will want to be like, and you will improve the chance that they will be more like you.  On the other hand, some people want to be like people we find egregiously obnoxious, will never agree with us, and for that we should be glad.

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