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  •  I've found bonding first really works (8+ / 0-)

    Let's say the issue is welfare.

    I make a point of saying that we on the left don't approve of welfare cheats, but we forget to mention it, just as those on the right forget to mention the honest folks that truly need the extra help. I ask what proportion of recipients in their opinion deserve welfare (general answer is about 50%). I tell 'em I think it's around 20% of long-term recipients (IMHO), but stress that most welfare is pretty temporary and almost all of that portion have truly fallen on hard times.

    More often then not, we end up talking rationally about the issue and walk away at the end without feeling disrespected or insulted.

    No one will change their mind while they feel they're being judged.

    "The right is correct on one thing...we really are a bunch of easily outraged nitpickers."

    by potato on Thu Dec 26, 2013 at 01:13:12 PM PST

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    •  that usually works for me (1+ / 0-)
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      this was so unusual in that I got the 'fuck off' from the get go. kinda sorta tried it anyhow but no chance after he came out swinging from the get go.

      and then the other guy, was nice, friendly even, who did answer, then asked me, then clammed up.

      its why I had to write about it.
      never in my wildest dreams thought anyone would notice or care. LOL

      no man is completely worthless, he can always be used as a bad example.

      by srfRantz on Thu Dec 26, 2013 at 02:53:30 PM PST

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    •  Which illustrates the issue: (1+ / 0-)
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      They've been taught to be binary thinkers.  There is only black and white.   In other words, when a liberal disagrees with them, it's because the liberal thinks that we just want to give away "free stuff" to all comers.

      They never stop to understand or acknowledge that there are shades of gray and things are not quite so binary until you force them to do it - and your example of doing so above is pretty ingenious.

      However, depending on the subject matter, it can be vastly more difficult to get them to step away from the binary thinking.

      •  While life is shades of grey. (0+ / 0-)

        A topic I truly began to comprehend when I started debating in year 4 of school, having to play devil's advocate for something I was vehemently against (whaling), I found in the debate the necessity to not think in absolutes, but to (with the research assisting here I must add) comprehend the reality of the fact values change, and even in day to day things nothing is always certain. Sadly a lot of these people are piss poor debaters, in part because they can't put themselves in another's shoes and only see in the binary as you say.
        Then a lot of liberals are too used to playing devil's advocate so we fail to address our own points adequately while being able to empathize with the opponent.

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