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  •  Thanks. I am proud of our President on this issue (2+ / 0-)
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    joe from Lowell, Lujane

    I hope the damage will not already be done if it comes to him having to veto this legislation.

    •  I seriously doubt it will ever come to that. (1+ / 0-)
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      DrTerwilliker

      I can't imagine either house of Congress passing such a bill. I doubt either Reid or Boehner will even let it come to a vote.

      Art is the handmaid of human good.

      by joe from Lowell on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 08:36:31 AM PST

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      •  Given the stakes... (4+ / 0-)
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        that's a thinner straw to rest our hopes on than I am comfortable counting on. Would you seriously have expected 15 Democratic Senators, many from blue states, to con-sponsor legislation undermining the most important foreign policy achievement of this Democratic Administration in decades? Against all the clear evidence of the war weariness of the American people? There are powerful and connected lobbies opposing these negotiations. In a sense it is like fighting the lobbies that are pushing for "entitlement reform". They are powerful, well funded, and tenacious, with hooks into both parties.

      •  Theyd better not. Just waving this around puts (4+ / 0-)

        the negotiations at risk, regardless of if it ever passes or even gets a floor vote. The Iranians watch the TV news too, ya know.

        •  I wonder if that would work the other way, though. (2+ / 0-)
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          If President Obama actually vetoes a bill to ramp up sanctions, and take the domestic political hit for it, what kind of an effect would that have on the Iranian perception of his good faith?

          Art is the handmaid of human good.

          by joe from Lowell on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 08:49:01 AM PST

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          •  Depends on who the Iranians think (5+ / 0-)

            is really calling the shots.  

            Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

            by corvo on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 08:51:18 AM PST

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          •  A slightly comforting thought (1+ / 0-)
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            joe from Lowell

            If Obama wasn't being bantered about by the media as a failed lame duck who is about to potentially face a Republican Senate in 2014 there might be a better chance of that.

            •  So you're saying the Iranians would... (0+ / 0-)

              look at that and consider Congress to have more hand than the President. Interesting.

              It's not as though Congress is doing particularly well in the media, either.

              Art is the handmaid of human good.

              by joe from Lowell on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 10:18:32 AM PST

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              •  It's a factor (2+ / 0-)
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                The weaker a president is perceived to be (whether or not that perception is even accurate) the less trust others will have in his ability to face down his opponents and prevail on a controversial issue. I think those around the world who look at U.S. politics tend to, at least since George W. Bush, see Republicans as the more hawkish party in America. Them gaining strength, coupled with many Democrats opposing the president on Iran, would understandably give Iranians more reason to not trust in the potential of a real peace process

              •  Congress doesn't need the President's permission (1+ / 0-)
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                Lujane

                to declare war on Iran.  Congress needs only a veto-proof majority, which it would probably have in such an eventuality.

                At that point it's the C-in-C's duty to wage the war.

                Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                by corvo on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 11:54:30 AM PST

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        •  Iranians just announced (1+ / 0-)
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          (today's Guardian) they're building more centrifuges.  Surprise surprise.

          Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

          by corvo on Fri Dec 27, 2013 at 08:50:49 AM PST

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