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  •  I disagree. OWS changed the conversation. But (7+ / 0-)

    it took a ridiculous amount of effort and hardship for  a relatively small number of activists just to change the conversation.
      The big problem OWS had was a two week media blackout until there was some police violence that gave the media an opportunity to do some hippie punching.
      The media doesn't want to report left wing demonstrations.
      Voting isn't a complete waste of time, but it's close.
      Probably the best long term strategy is an effort to get people into the state legislatures. That's what ALEC and the T-Pubs have done.
      Organization and political struggle are hard. People only live so long.

    •  They made the hippie mistake of political purity (5+ / 0-)

      Refusing to be 'sullied' by joining with the establishment and demanding a ace at the table. Letting the levers of power be pulled to steamroll over themselves while Obama and the Democrats grabbed their demands for fairness and equal opportunity and won the 2012 elections with it.

      If you're going to try and wake a sleeping lion you'd better have a very organized hunting party with a strategy and a number of tactics ready to capture the beast. You might even need to kill it. Simply waving a flag in front of its face will not suffice. That's the same reason the hippies failed. Simple idealism trumped the will to make that idealism a reality. No good work gets done without dirtying your hands and working up a good sweat.

      •  Tell me how having a seat at the table has worked (1+ / 0-)
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        for MoveOn. Because that's basically the organization everyone is calling for to be the second coming of Occupy. I don't see why you wouldn't just work with organizations that are already doing exactly what you suggest. These organizations are out there already.

        If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

        by AoT on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 09:22:49 PM PST

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        •  Move On (1+ / 0-)
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          Is a movement, from the grass roots, and organized with specific goals.  

          If OWS were to adopt the set up MoveOn has , OWS could identify it's specific goals, and get the correct people elected, and make things happen.

          OWS failed to rally behind anybody, and that is where they became a big zero in reality.  

          MoveOn get's behind people like Elizabeth Warren and helps her get what's needed to win her election.  

          Just think how big OWS could be if they were to cherry pick who they wanted to support, and actually had people register and show up to vote.  

          " With religion you can't get just a little pregnant"

          by EarTo44 on Mon Dec 30, 2013 at 02:54:12 AM PST

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    •  yep. Organzing sucks. But, until (2+ / 0-)
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      something better comes along... it's all we got.

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