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  •  Your "friend" sure is screwy... n/t (9+ / 0-)

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 08:49:00 PM PST

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    •  rAmen (8+ / 0-)

      He sounds like no one I would want to be in a life raft with.

      And daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg County Down by the Green River where Paradise lay. Well, I'm sorry my son, but you're too late in asking Mister Peabody's coal train has hauled it away. John Prine

      by high uintas on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 08:58:17 PM PST

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    •  It started with just the war and pot stuff... (4+ / 0-)
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      that's what drew him to Ron Paul in the first place.  Then he slowly gets brainwashed into all this Austrian economics austerity bullshit, and starts seeing conspiracy theories all over the damn place.  He even thinks 9/11 and Sandy Hook were BOTH "false flag" operations.  Listens to that nutjob Alex Jones now.

      And he drew in another person who voted for Obama in 2008 into his world, and now she's dating Adam Kokesh, the ex-Marine who threatened that armed march on D.C., and who is now in jail on weapons charges.

      The thing that gets me is neither of them used to think like this.  And worst is their belief that THEY'RE the only ones who are sane, and that we're just "statists" who haven't come to realize what they've learned from that esteemed master they love, Ron Paul.


      Like I've said before, we laughed and ignored him at our own peril.  They built enough of an infrastructure where suddenly their insane ideas of cutting off unemployment insurance for millions of Americans ACTUALLY FUCKING HAPPENED LAST WEEK.  And frankly, I don't see how we get that restored in this Tea Party-controlled House, so the Pauls will CONTINUE to win out when it comes to their fucking insane ideology being actually implemented in the U.S.

      •  Send him this piece: (4+ / 0-)
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        “As I walked out the door toward the gate that would lead to my freedom, I knew if I didn't leave my bitterness and hatred behind, I’d still be in prison.”
        – Nelson Mandela, proof that the final form of love is forgiveness.

        by smileycreek on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 10:39:28 PM PST

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        •  I just read this article on Salon... (0+ / 0-)

          I'm a fairly conservative fiscal person.  Not a Tea Partier ,  not a registered Republican.  I at  least like to think myself a pragmatist in most situations but also understand that there are cold hard truths in some situations that cause solutions that may be unacceptable to some and decent enough to others. I recently joined DK but have read here on and off for a couple years.
          I can't entirely disagree or take your entire article to task but would like to offer at least another point about some things you wrote. One of my main concerns in government spending is "do we get what we pay for?"  a lot of talk about infrastructure and national parks forces me to  look at what annual spending is versus total budgetary spending.  These really are drops in the bucket.  We can discuss and debate  these  costs but the issue is that our largest consolidated cost is what many of you may not like to call it  entitlement spending.  What we spend versus what we achieve is not acceptable in my opinion. I also get the whole pension issues as well but there simply is not enough money to cover the nut so to speak.  So while there is upheaval about who is getting screwed by whom with regards to social contacts and all, if there is simply not the currency to pay something, we end up with something very similar to the GM bail out: somebody loses. In  case it was bondholders.  Those bondholders were hedge funds and pension funds. Those pension funds are teachers and state and municipal employees predominantly and were left with little or nothing from their investment.  Nobody came out ahead on that deal in that group but we "saved" GM and  all  its suppliers and employees and et al.  Not arguing against it but the point is that there will be winners and lovers in almost every situation.

          •  indeed, "winners and lovers" /nt (0+ / 0-)

            Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

            by annieli on Mon Dec 30, 2013 at 09:56:54 AM PST

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            •  Auto correct (0+ / 0-)

              Hey. At least I didnt get anything super illicit in there! No.. no snarkiness in there. I enjoy reading the DK as I want more than one perspective. So as much as I see a one-sidedness out of the Tea Party or certain right wing factions, I see the same thing here. I guess my goal is better understanding and also finding that it really is more broken than we all think and that we dont have the power or authority as citizens that we "used" to have or should have. Our votes have been replaced by dollars, and most of us are simply along for the ride that these poeple are taking us.
              There. There is my "right wing " hate.  ;-)
              I see a lot of struggles for us as a citizenry and humanity in general. I dont think government is the ultimate answer, but there is a definitive need for it and like regulations imposed on individuals and businesses and industries, the regulations imposed on government (Constitution, BoR) seem to be overlooked, brushed aside, and averted altogether.

          •  The USA is not broke -an important truth (0+ / 0-)

            Hey thanks for the thoughtful post.
            I'm curious where this idea comes from that we can't afford government spending on pensions, and basically other redistributions to reduce inequality?

            Do you have a sense of how rich people and corporations live? There's a lot of cash and resource hoarding going on.

            Marginal income tax rates like we had in the Eisenhower era would be enough to fund and bail out pensions -although I'm not an expert, that's my sense from reading blogs of experts I admire.

            There is also room in my opinion for a wealth tax, not just an income tax.

            •  Pie (0+ / 0-)

              Hey! Thanks for the reply. Saying that taxing the upper echelon more is a non starter.  There simply is not a big enough pie to tax to get there. Numbers that show fiscal obligations of what has been promised to pensions on the government level and social security are between 50 and 70 trillion dollars.  There simply is not enough money to meet that obligation no matter how you define or stretch it.  Now to throw private sector obligations in, we are still in trouble.  You have a point on wealth tax but that won't fly congressionally and even so it's a regressive tax as the pie that it feeds from gets smaller as you tax it.  I have a feeling that it will get ugly politically and in the streets as there will not be a mutually agreed upon decision.  The can has been kicked so far down the road by both parties that in my opinion it is irreparable.  That's a pretty extreme view but that's what I think.  I think there has to be a default or a breaking point that forces the redrawing of the lines.  

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