Skip to main content

View Diary: The ugly collusion between 'religious faith' and bigotry (91 comments)

Comment Preferences

  •  We can deconstruct Christ all we want, (0+ / 0-)

    but there will still be Christians. I prefer Christians who want to follow the Jesus of the Beatitudes than Christians who want to Jesus who came to plant a sword.

    I find hell to be a rather bizarre concept myself. Why would a just god torture anyone for eternity. But then, many Christians have a totally different concept of hell than the traditional view flames and anguish - it's more like being in the low rent district forever.

    Francis represents a drastic change of tone if not doctrine. He is actually willing to have dialogue with those who disagree with him instead of consigning them to hell. I welcome that change.  He looks like he's giving the anti-abortion agenda much lower priority, and getting away from the homophobia of the church. He also seems to be bringing back the Catholic concern for those on the bottom of the heap, something that became big in the twentieth century, at least in the American CC, but disappeared as JPII and Benedict stacked the deck with right wing bishops. I welcome the change in tone, I stand by to see if there will be some real changes in the CC or if this is just a rearranging of the furniture.

    We'll see what transpires there.

    Just another underemployed IT professional computer geek.

    by RhodeIslandAspie on Tue Dec 31, 2013 at 09:43:12 AM PST

    [ Parent ]

    •  I just saw someone on another thread in the (0+ / 0-)

      last couple of days post a very recent quote from Francis that again condemned homosexual marriages just as he did in Argentina that puts the issue on the front burner again.

      I don't trust him and I don't trust all these declarations he is making.  Plus the RCC has never really been on the side of the poor. They use them just like Mother Teresa did. Lots of good PR for the church and no actual care for the poor.  How can you be "concerned" for the poor when you won't let women control their fertility?  That is one of the biggest causes of poverty.  In the US, Catholic charities get 60% of their funds from us taxpayers.  It's easy to be concerned for the poor when you can get a government to allow you to slap your brand on their charity dollars, isn't it? Condemning capitalism is really rather cynical when your institution is steeped in capitalistic investing and money laundering for the mafia. The RCC's real estate holdings are mind blowing.  When the pope lectures people on materialism, it make me nauseous, and yet the world applauds it.  I don't get the gullibility and it worries me greatly.  It means that much of the media and general population have not learned one single lesson when it comes to the RCC.

      There have been no changes made or even suggested by this pope in the religious and ethical directives that prohibit abortion or even best medical practices for reproductive issues for women in US catholic hospitals, so saying he's putting the abortion issue on the back burner is meaningless.

      The only way people in my view are even able to trust what Francis is saying and doing is if they are totally oblivious to the history of (and current status of) this incredibly corrupt institution.   My mistrust for Francis and the RCC is backed up solidly by evidence and I'm standing with it.

      •  Who "trusts" him? (0+ / 0-)

        Many of us are happy with the change of tone. You think I trust the CC with  the abuse I experienced in a Catholic grammar school? The high school was actually decent, but those first eight years gave me a permanent distrust of the institution.

        Religion isn't going away anytime soon. It serves a want that many people have. People gravitate towards the religion they want. They cannot just turn off their sense of belief anymore than I can turn off my sense of non-belief.

        Is it surprising that there would be a lot of barbaric stuff in scriptures that are thousands of years old with the oldest stuff dating to the bronze age? But on the other hand, there are sincere people of faith who try to be true to their faith, but make it work in a modern world. It may take a bit of cognitive dissonance to say on one hand, slavery is an affront to God, but it was OK thousands of years ago. But I'd rather see them doing that than saying that slavery is OK today, or for that matter, that it was OK in 1860.

        Just another underemployed IT professional computer geek.

        by RhodeIslandAspie on Tue Dec 31, 2013 at 10:44:10 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  In my view, Pope Francis is changing (0+ / 0-)

          the "tone" of the RCC in the same manner the GOP is changing its "tone" when it comes to matters of race, gays and women.... in other words, its a ruse.

          Who "trusts" the new pope?   The media. And that's put him way ahead of the new game he is playing. Actually it's not a new game... PT Barnum named it a long time ago.

          I had a sense of belief. I turned it off by educating myself. It can be done.

          Have a great New Year!

          •  Neither one of is a practicing Catholic. (0+ / 0-)

            I left them a long time ago. I don't get obsessed about the CC until it starts sticking it's nose in government. You seem to be obsessed.

            I like the change in tone, but I don't expect any big change, just maybe a little more tolerance. But either way it is what is.

            Just another underemployed IT professional computer geek.

            by RhodeIslandAspie on Tue Dec 31, 2013 at 02:42:47 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  Do you call people who (0+ / 0-)

              are passionate about environmental issues "obsessed"? What about democrats who write and comment constantly about the right wingers... are they obsessed?

              In my area of the country, the catholic church has taken over major hospital systems, including a university teaching hospital.  We are seeing a huge curtailing of reproductive services to women and "little" details like not giving condoms to men who come into the emergency room with STD's or HIV.   If you are not "obsessed" with the hold that this institution has on at least our medical systems, then you are not paying attention.  Look up Merger Watch.

              As for me, I will continue to post information that is being ignored by both the media and people who are adding to the creation of a Francis fan club by ignoring what is really going on.

              •  And FT01, we are on the same page on this. (0+ / 0-)

                If the CC wants to join a league, you've got to play by the rules of the league.

                But I think it's over the top to be obsessed with every word of some ancient scripture and cherry pick to ridicule people of faith. Like I said before, it's what they do with the tools that count. I don't care what ancient scriptures state about Jesus, Paul, Mohammad, or Isiah saying or doing. I care what current day people of faith do in the name of their religion. If they want to pull society backward, I will oppose them. If they want to advance society, I will stand with them.

                Just another underemployed IT professional computer geek.

                by RhodeIslandAspie on Wed Jan 01, 2014 at 09:05:13 AM PST

                [ Parent ]

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site