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  •  Actual animosity? That's a new one on me. (0+ / 0-)

    The only context in which I am used to seeing that comes in the context of evolution.  I put that in a separate place because of the special place religion holds in people's lives and the tendency of some to ridicule those beliefs.

    That, by the way, is not the same as a generalized animosity to science.  One acquaintance of mine was an evangelical Christian working on the Tokamak at Fermilab, and, later, on the LHC.

    He was very definitely a science geek and well aware of the contradiction in his creationist beliefs and pretty much all of science.  I can't put it quite how he put it to me, but his religion served an important purpose for him and his family, and he sort of "roped off" creation/evolution from the rest of science.  That takes some serious tip-toeing when you consider the entanglement of particle physics with The Big Bang.

    I can respect it, though, and I appreciated the chance to talk with somebody sufficiently educated in both religion and science to articulate what he was doing.

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    by dinotrac on Mon Dec 30, 2013 at 02:20:18 PM PST

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    •  The animosity shows up when the conversation (3+ / 0-)
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      turns to scientific warnings about global warming, the urgent need for wetlands protection, the importance of reducing pollutants like airborne mercury, etc.  And then there's statistical data on topics like racial discrimination, etc. -- when the numbers clash with their beliefs, they just say, "I don't believe them."  Your friend the conservative science geek deserves major kudos for intellectual honesty.  But it's noteworthy that a Pew Research poll showed only 6 percent of scientists identify as Republicans.  Apparently, few conservatives can handle the strain of reconciling science with their politics.

      I'm a Christian, therefore I'm a liberal.

      by VirginiaJeff on Mon Dec 30, 2013 at 03:24:43 PM PST

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      •  Well, that's no different from progressives when (0+ / 0-)

        you talk nuclear power, genetically modified foods, geo-engineering, and a few other areas that escape me at the moment.

        Politics have a way of making you hate pieces of science.

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        by dinotrac on Mon Dec 30, 2013 at 08:51:52 PM PST

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        •  Umm ... no. (2+ / 0-)
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          Caution about genetically modified foods simply recognizes the many unforeseen consequences we have endured -- and are still enduring -- from being cavalier in the past about the large-scale introduction of new plants, animals, or pesticides to the environment.  Most progressives are simply asking for strong regulatory oversight and transparency.  

          Same thing with nuclear power plants.  The disasters at Fukishima, Chernobyl, and Three Mile Island are facts.  They teach us not to rely on the reassurances of Big Business, but to push for regulatory oversight that goes above and beyond minimum standards.

          None of these things is remotely unscientific.

          I'm a Christian, therefore I'm a liberal.

          by VirginiaJeff on Mon Dec 30, 2013 at 11:04:24 PM PST

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          •  Ummm...yes. Your caution has nothing to do with (0+ / 0-)

            science when it comes to genetically modified foods.

            Ditto for nuclear, but --- given Fukishima, ever so slightly more rational.

            Rational, that is, in the way that visitors to an unofficial "Gay Day" at Disney World years ago were frightened that a mosquito would bite them and give them AIDS.

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            by dinotrac on Tue Dec 31, 2013 at 08:16:58 AM PST

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