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  •  Why not call for it for Manning? (7+ / 0-)

    Or did the Mainstream Media do that?

    "It is easier to pass through the eye of a needle then it is to be an honest politician."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Thu Jan 02, 2014 at 09:59:20 AM PST

    •  Give Snowden credit: he knew what he had (1+ / 0-)
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      and had a plan on what he gave out and who he gave it to. Manning just dumped it.

      While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

      by GoGoGoEverton on Thu Jan 02, 2014 at 12:18:45 PM PST

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      •  I have a different opinion on that at this time. (0+ / 0-)

        "It is easier to pass through the eye of a needle then it is to be an honest politician."

        by BigAlinWashSt on Thu Jan 02, 2014 at 01:18:55 PM PST

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      •  Manning didn't dump it all to the public (10+ / 0-)

        So sick of this lie being repeated, over and over and over.

        Manning turned the material over to Wikileaks, and Wikileaks was slowly releasing it after performing their own analysis and redactions on the documents. Just like the Snowden documents now, only with a few news outlets rather than Wikileaks doing the analysis.

        Then the password to the encrypted document file was leaked in a British reporter's book, and since copies of the encrypted file had already been leaked (yes, very ironic), suddenly all of Manning's documents were available outside of Wikileaks. Thus, at that point, Wikileaks chose to also make all the documents available on their website, since they had already become available elsewhere on the Internet.

        Seriously, this shit is all on Wikipedia. Manning didn't just take documents and "dump" them. Just like Snowden, she turned to experts to help with analysis and security.

        "As the madmen play on words, and make us all dance to their song / to the tune of starving millions, to make a better kind of gun..." -- Iron Maiden

        by Lost Left Coaster on Thu Jan 02, 2014 at 04:32:07 PM PST

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        •  Semantics. (2+ / 0-)
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          Manning handed over in a bulk to a non-media organization classified military files, the contents of which Manning had very little knowledge. 'Dumping' seems just fine to me and again, much much different than Snowden.

          While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

          by GoGoGoEverton on Thu Jan 02, 2014 at 05:45:29 PM PST

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          •  Semantics. (2+ / 0-)
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            Wikileaks is an enterprise engaged in investigative journalism. Just because they don't look like old media, doesn't mean they aren't media.

            To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

            by UntimelyRippd on Thu Jan 02, 2014 at 07:09:11 PM PST

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            •  LOL. "Investigative journalism"? (1+ / 0-)
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              Is that what you call irresponsible leaking of any and everything you can obtain, regardless of whether it's even newsworthy, and regardless of the context?  Remember "ClimateGate"?  That was Assange's irresponsible leaking of emails without context.  It wasn't "investigative journalism".  PLease....

              •  Please yourself. (0+ / 0-)

                You're a reliable apologist for the surveillance state. I could write a computer program to compose your comments -- they are that predictable and devoid of responsive contemplation.

                The NSA is a criminal organization. They need to go.

                To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

                by UntimelyRippd on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 06:22:18 AM PST

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          •  No, it's not semantics (4+ / 0-)

            Manning handed over the documents so that Wikileaks could analyze them, make redactions, and coordinate their release to the public, working with different newspapers (I guess you forgot that part too -- in fact, that was the problem that did, in fact, end up in the mass release of the information -- in the end it was a Guardian reporter working with Wikileaks on the documents who publicized the encryption password).

            It's like Mark Twain's apocryphal riddle -- how many legs does a dog have if you call its tail a leg? The answer, of course, is four, because no matter what you call it, a tail is not a leg.

            Dumping, of course, implies that Manning indiscriminately released the files to the public. This she simply did not do. Like Snowden, she could have made that choice, but she did not. So you should find a different word if you want to keep disparaging her.

            And what the hell is Wikileaks as a "non-media organization"? Did I miss the meeting where the determination over whether or not an organization was "media" or "non-media" was made? What do you call an "organization," exactly, that works to analyze and publicize information? Do they have to apply for a license before they can be a "media organization"? Oh, I suppose it is because Wikileaks has an "agenda," unlike the benign overlords of the corporate media, who only, after all, are looking out for the well-being of everyone, I am sure.

            "As the madmen play on words, and make us all dance to their song / to the tune of starving millions, to make a better kind of gun..." -- Iron Maiden

            by Lost Left Coaster on Thu Jan 02, 2014 at 07:35:09 PM PST

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            •  News agencies are NOT qualified or capable of (1+ / 0-)
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              handling sensitive information period.

              Your creating some random argument in your head where people are "saying wiki leaks is not a news source" and acting all defensive.

              No one gives a shit about that point.

              The point is......

              Its idiotic on EPIC proportions to think news agencies are capable of handling that material.  They are simply over their head when it comes to the security precautions needed to safely deal with the issue.

              If you give an important sensitive bit of information to CNN, FOX NEWS, MSN, or wikileaks you may as well be plastering it on billboards in times fucking square.

              Jesus christ, you are defending someone who announced to you "that everything electronic you do is being spied on". Yet you somehow think that OMGZ but these other random organizations. THEIR communications must be safe.

              Holy fucking shit batman are you not paying attention? Snowden and Manning themselves just told you that their own methods of communication ARE NOT SECURE.

              Your whining excuse about how it was not Manning's fault that the full contents were released." IT was because XYZ and ABC happened. " Thats exactly fucking case in point about why this approach is dumping the info into the public square.

              This was not what an informed stable person does. This is what a freaking out child does when they don't know what to do.

               

        •  And wikileaks is not the public? (1+ / 0-)
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          and is certified to handle classified documents?

          lolz

          They could not create a method for safely handling classified documents even if they wanted to.  

          Case in point is your EXACT 3rd paragraph.

          These people you are referring to as "experts" are at best amateurs.

          Its kinda like how news agencies will put on crackpots who claim the world is 3000 years old because they have a degree in astrology. But hey they once worked as the janitor at a dentists office. So they are certified to talk about all things biological.  Your definition of expert is kinda almost exactly the same as theirs.

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