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  •  I can't wait to find out what GWB thinks (4+ / 0-)
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    about it.

    "Harass us, because we really do pay attention. Look at who's on the ballot, and vote for the candidate you agree with the most. The next time, you get better choices." - Barney Frank

    by anonevent on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 10:06:56 AM PST

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    •  He's not running for presidenat again, is he? (14+ / 0-)

      "Bob Johnson doesn't have special privileges, because really, why would I entrust that guy with ANYTHING?" - kos, November 9, 2013

      by Bob Johnson on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 10:20:45 AM PST

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      •  2008 should also have taught us.... (17+ / 0-)

        .......that what they say isn't what they do.

        What we need is a Democrat in the White House.

        by dkmich on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 10:23:21 AM PST

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        •  Clearly what HRC thinks about the Middle East (5+ / 0-)

          is totally relevant. I don't even understand the question...why would we be interested in the (possible) next inhabitant of the White House? Ask Chris Crisco, too.

          What stronger breast-plate than a heart untainted! Thrice is he arm'd, that hath his quarrel just; And he but naked, though lock'd up in steel, Whose conscience with injustice is corrupted. Henry VI Part II Act 3 Scene 2

          by TerryDarc on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 10:29:35 AM PST

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          •  Its only relevant if its true. (3+ / 0-)
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            Today's politicians only tell you what their consultants think you want to hear.  

            I repeat.   Why would you possibly believe Hillary on this or anything else?

            What we need is a Democrat in the White House.

            by dkmich on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 10:38:34 AM PST

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            •  And you would find out how? (6+ / 0-)

              I think asking her would be a great idea. Some people are suspicious of HRC's peace credentials.

              Bill Clinton's "triangulation" strategy of running just to the right of the leftmost Republican is a formula for failed politics and more and more one for disaster in an election. Stand for something and let it be peace or you don't get my vote.

              What stronger breast-plate than a heart untainted! Thrice is he arm'd, that hath his quarrel just; And he but naked, though lock'd up in steel, Whose conscience with injustice is corrupted. Henry VI Part II Act 3 Scene 2

              by TerryDarc on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 10:42:59 AM PST

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              •  Yeah, she'll pinky swear. lol ...........nt (3+ / 0-)
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                What we need is a Democrat in the White House.

                by dkmich on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 11:42:48 AM PST

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                •  Sorry to jump in here, (1+ / 0-)
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                  but I just wanted to let the PTB know that the email attached to the petition has typo. The works "negotiate."

                  If reality clashes with your belief, then the problem clearly is reality.--God

                  by Flyswatterbanjo on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 02:43:27 PM PST

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                •  With the huge lead she has in (0+ / 0-)

                  admittedly early polling (minimum of +64), she does not need us nor will she cater to us. Did Obama in 2008? We sort of saw what we wanted to see in him. Hillary doesn't/didn't have the luxury of being new. I am a Warren man, but she is right to keep silent. She knows that in the end, we will vote for her because she is the lesser evil.

                  http://www.realclearpolitics.com/...

                  •  No question (0+ / 0-)

                    There were those who expected unicorns and rainbows from President Obama, but grown-ups had some understanding of the insanely complex situation he faced when elected. They also know that, with rare exception, the president can propose bills and advocate for a certain agenda, while Congress calls the shots -- and we have been dealing with one of the most bizarre Congresses in modern history. One of Obama's first acts was to reverse Bill Clinton's appalling policies against the seriously ill/disabled, undoubtedly saving lives. That matters. When he came into office, the US was at the brink of complete economic collapse (even Republicans agree on this point). The Bush admin. had run up unprecedented debt, and against all odds, President Obama has dramatically reduced that debt.  Year after years he has ensured the increase of jobs here, and decrease of jobs being shipped out. I don't know if most people understand just how dangerous our international situation actually was by the time the Bush admin. ended. The international community was concluding that the US needed to be ended to prevent the end of all life on Earth. It was that serious. Obama has dramatically reduced those international tensions while phasing out US military attacks on other countries; it will take many years to repair our international relations. And the list goes on.

                    •  Kudos! (2+ / 0-)
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                      I applaud your comments a hundred times over and concur ABSOLUTELY!  We will be dealing with the damage and the evils and corruption of the Bush administration for DECADES to come, unfortunately.  In the meantime, we need to move the remaining Republican/TP  party members DOWN AND OUT of Washington as expediently as possible, if we are to move this country forward in any meaningful way.  Before they bring about the end of civilization.  They're already turning us into a Third World Country.  I only hope that one day we will learn the truth about 9/11.  Probably not in my lifetime, and probably not till he is dead and gone.  

                    •  Amen! (0+ / 0-)

                      Hey I cant just recommend on this diary, Is it me or can others?

                      I can recommend the diarist but not the comments here?

                    •  Great Comment (1+ / 0-)
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                      I agree with you great comment 100 percent.  Now however we must fight the TPP which is a Trans-pacific Pact that is more like NAFTA and not good for American workers.  I don't want to think President Obama is for this but at this point I am not sure who wants this so much.

                  •  Warren, sanders (1+ / 0-)
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                    or grayson  for me

                    I agree most politicians are experts or hire speech writers, spokesperson to play and part and sway us by emotional theater.

                    Can we get an amendment to make it a crime to not tally our votes on matters like this, after giving us the information, and then voting in direct representation?

              •  Just remember, (0+ / 0-)

                to get a lasting peace, you MUST retain the right to wage and win a war. Once you give up the right, and the capability, your peace is at the mercy of the first party who decides they don't like your attitude, or your religion.  Seems we have been down that road before, and it cost us two wars, not just some relatively minor police actions

                •  Chet - totally right man. Those who do not (0+ / 0-)

                  remember history are doomed to repeat it.  

                •  With the US military budget (0+ / 0-)

                  greater than the next 10 countries combined, and with the US spending more as a percent of GDP than any other of those top ten except Saudi Arabia (which spends a staggering 11+% of GDP on the military), I don't think we're in danger of that any time soon.

                  Just when have we given up the "right" and the "capability" to wage war, and which two wars has it cost us, and how, exactly?

                  "A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty. The means of defence agst. foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home." - James Madison

                  by gharlane on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 07:15:14 PM PST

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            •  all politicians (0+ / 0-)

              then why primary a Dem if none can be believed?

              Would it not be better to separate those with some credibility and those with none?

              Another shining sphere flies from Feior's hands, and you are frozen where you stand

              by GideonAB on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 10:44:38 AM PST

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              •  Why vote for a Dem if none can be believed? (1+ / 0-)
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                Seriously.

                I believe in Elizabeth Warren, Jeff Merkley and Bernie Sanders right now.

                What stronger breast-plate than a heart untainted! Thrice is he arm'd, that hath his quarrel just; And he but naked, though lock'd up in steel, Whose conscience with injustice is corrupted. Henry VI Part II Act 3 Scene 2

                by TerryDarc on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 10:48:17 AM PST

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                  •  Would have gotten out of my deathbed (1+ / 0-)
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                    to vote for BHO. I understand what you're saying and I'd probably do the same for HRC but not with a lot of enthu$ia$m if you catch my drift.

                    What stronger breast-plate than a heart untainted! Thrice is he arm'd, that hath his quarrel just; And he but naked, though lock'd up in steel, Whose conscience with injustice is corrupted. Henry VI Part II Act 3 Scene 2

                    by TerryDarc on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 01:10:41 PM PST

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                •  For me (0+ / 0-)

                  A clear a rule of thumb is whether they are discussing the issues or merely pandering to donors (the middle class). For complex reasons, if they are focused exclusive on the middle class, they are absolutely not progressive.They are merely pandering. They know that it is not possible to rebuild the middle class out of thin air, ignoring poverty, as Sanders and Warren have chosen to do.  Both very abruptly stopped standing with the American people to careful (repeatedly) stress that they stand ONLY with those who have incomes over roughly $35k. It is the most blatant elitism, and this agenda virtually guarantees that the next president will be a Republican (assuming a successful Clinton coup, pushing out Vice President Joe Biden).  The middle class has been getting phased out for years, and the Clinton Dems have been poison for the masses of working poor and those who are far worse off.

                •  Merkley? (0+ / 0-)

                  I wouldn't be so sure of Merkley.   I'm in OR and have tried (along w/others) to get his assistance re: issues connected to a Navy DEIS and he was not helpful in the long run.   Just not interested.

                  He has no problems w/OR becoming much more involved w/the MIC then it has been.   Pro wave energy subsidies even if the sites will interfere w/the commercial fisheries--and so far, wave energy in OR has been nothing but subsidies.  

              •  Actions speak louder than words. (3+ / 0-)
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                As our MBs always says......."don't tell me what you think, show me what you do, and I'll tell you what you think".  

                Words are cheap.

                What we need is a Democrat in the White House.

                by dkmich on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 11:43:44 AM PST

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              •  Because (0+ / 0-)

                Doing some research will show you who can't be trusted, based on their own records. Like all important decisions, you have to get as much info as possible, weigh all the factors, and try to determine which candidate's agenda would be in the nation's best interests.

            •  Exactly (0+ / 0-)

              And, the true is that when trying to have any kind of diplomatic efforts with Iran to get them to stop their nuclear intentions they'll also only tell you what they think you want to hear.  

              You can't negotiate with Iran.  Look at the history of the so-called "peace talks" between the Palestinians and Israel.  There are have been all kinds of awards and all kinds of lauding of just so many of these efforts and today, it's every bit as dangerous and volatile there as ever.  

            •  Get Her on the Record (3+ / 0-)
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              It's not as important to believe what she says as it is to get what she says on record now. Before she has a chance to weasel into whatever is most convenient for the relatively brief and chaotic period while she's actually campaigning. Before the consequences of the policy are known.

              She's now got "if I knew then what I know now I wouldn't have voted to invade Iraq" safely squared away. She shouldn't have it so easy with Iran. Unless she's at ease with actual political leadership.

              "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

              by DocGonzo on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 12:38:11 PM PST

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            •  records (0+ / 0-)

              You need to look into their records of votes (if they were in Congress), and check which policies they have supported, and which ones they have opposed. It does take some online research. Don't simply trust media. Putting a "Bold Progressive" sticker on some pol for fund-raising events doesn't make the pol even liberal-ish.

            •  What has Hillary said, "according to you" (0+ / 0-)

              Hillary hasn't made a comment about this recent affair..If she has please submit..(seriously)..I'd like to see it but I haven't so far seen or read her opinion on this anywhere until you stated she had..Where did you see this?

          •  Also Ask Christie (1+ / 0-)
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            Yes, Christie should go on record. But that's a reach, since Christie isn't necessarily going to run, so he probably won't get asked. Clinton is definitely running, so she should definitely get asked.

            Your statement, right down to the "too", validates Clinton being asked her position on this.

            "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

            by DocGonzo on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 12:36:08 PM PST

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            •  If Chris Crisco doesn't run... (0+ / 0-)

              ...I'll eat my hat: baseball cap, actually.

              What stronger breast-plate than a heart untainted! Thrice is he arm'd, that hath his quarrel just; And he but naked, though lock'd up in steel, Whose conscience with injustice is corrupted. Henry VI Part II Act 3 Scene 2

              by TerryDarc on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 05:24:23 PM PST

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            •  H Clinton (0+ / 0-)

              The better-off (and they're the minority) don't seem to "get" the tremendous opposition to Clinton among those not as well-off as middle classers, with incomes below roughly $35k. They chose not to vote rather than vote for Al Gore, they heavily voted for Barack Obama, and they absolutely will not vote for Hillary Clinton.

              •  Evidence that "the poor hate Hillary" please. (0+ / 0-)

                Poor people who I know want jobs more than anything.  The centrist position of the Clintons - AND of Obama -  has proven to be the best at maintaining jobs in the US.  
                Far left folks, such as the Hillary haters here who are not working for the tea party, do not have a proven prescription to create US jobs.  

          •  no chance (0+ / 0-)

            The Dem media marketed to liberals ignore the tremendous opposition to the Clintons out here, largely due to their pro-war, pro-NAFTA, anti-New Deal agenda. On socioeconomic policies (which determine the overall quality of life in the US), both Clintons have actually been to the right of such historic conservatives as Eisenhower and Nixon!

            •  Good point (0+ / 0-)

              What I'd like to know is all front runners position on the TPP and "fast track"to ram it through Congress without nary any oversight. Because After NFTA, we saw an awful lot of outsourcing. I consider myself a staunch Dem, but would not vote for Clinton if she is pushing for TPP like she accepted NAFTA when it was proposed by Bill.

        •  Amen (0+ / 0-)

          All theater until the pivot, when necessary to get the vote

      •  more or less (0+ / 0-)

        We see another surge of the two Clintons pushing themselves into any/every public event covered by media.

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