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  •  exlrrp says (21+ / 0-)
    a crazy man had his guns taken away before he hurt someone again.

    Seems like a win-win to me

    That has zero to do with the point being made , but is 100% deflecting from the point being made , this is how the "pro irresponsible gun owner crowd " get everyone talking in circles

    The guy had a boat load of guns , going to a gun show to sell them , and he would have accomplished that had he not had some bad luck

    The "pro irresponsible gun owner crowd " help gut funding to keep the public safe from these people , they stop any laws being passed to keep these people from getting guns , then we get to hear people call it a WIN WIN

    America can not even have a sane discussion about it

    Beer Drinkers & Hell Raisers

    by Patango on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 07:46:27 AM PST

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    •  PIRGOC - that works (16+ / 0-)

      PIRGOC

      pronounced
      per gok

      Acronym for
      pro irresponsible gun owner crowd

      definition
      Organizations and groups that defeat enforcement of reasonable sanctions against proven gun offenders.

      Usage
      1. The PIRGOC recalled two Democratic legislators in the Colorado state Senate.

      2. The PIRGOC strategy for several decades has been to shred effective gun control.

      3. The PIRGOC faction of the Democratic party places a priority on the privacy of illegal and legal gun owners, while demanding more invasive mental health reporting for all citizens.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 08:16:18 AM PST

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      •  Welcome to the Fray Lilith. (10+ / 0-)

        Maybe you can bring some of your legal savoir to answer some of the more inane comments here.

        •  Make the PIRGOC put mental in their gun safety (5+ / 0-)

          procedures and protocols.

          Now they have the 2nd (safety net for sloppy) Amendment, and can't be infringed to actually treat their gun like a gun and not a video game controller.

          by 88kathy on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 09:09:30 AM PST

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          •  There are problems with that approach (9+ / 0-)

            I'm writing a diary on it. The main issue is that the doctor/patient relationship is a privileged one, and in order to form a therapeutic alliance there needs to be trust/respect on both sides.

            The doctor's advice will not be heeded if the patient disagrees... The patient will not tell the truth about what's really going on, if they don't trust their doctor's advice or morals. For the most part, in the US, we don't force people to accept medical treatment that they don't want.

            The second issue is that doctors are not qualified to assess whether someone is competent to use a gun safely, or whether they show risk factors for gun misuse or criminal activity, of even what to assess to think about whether an individual is likely to be a responsible or law-abiding gun owner. There are no standards for such decisions.

            Criminal laws in this area will make the current problem worse; it will inhibit people from seeking and getting treatment for mental health problems, as well as problems with other kinds of addictions, DV, etc.

            "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

            by LilithGardener on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 09:29:36 AM PST

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            •  all true, and there's HIPAA (3+ / 0-)
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            •  But as someone said above. On a personal level, (2+ / 0-)
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              Hey Bob, maybe you might want to take a vacation from guns.

              On a professional level, how to handle mental and guns.

              They don't mention mental unless they are spiking the ball back in our court.

              Now they have the 2nd (safety net for sloppy) Amendment, and can't be infringed to actually treat their gun like a gun and not a video game controller.

              by 88kathy on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 09:54:54 AM PST

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            •  Love your name LilithGardener (1+ / 0-)
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              and the PIRGOC

              Criminal laws in this area will make the current problem worse;
              Lets just start on the surface , some how write a law that says

               " if you do something irresponsible with a gun , you will have your  privileges revoked"

              ??

              I realize that is vague , but it is a start

              Beer Drinkers & Hell Raisers

              by Patango on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 11:21:04 AM PST

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              •  The model we have for vehicles and driver's (1+ / 0-)
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                licenses goes a long way.

                E.g. Park your vehicle illegally? Unsafe parking is well-defined and easily sanctioned, without anyone going to jail. Fine, temporary forfeiture.

                Drop you gun, or it falls out of your bag at the airport? Fine, temporary forfeiture... If we had national licensing separate from ownership, we could sanction proven failures long before anyone gets shot.

                Explained in more detail here:
                http://www.dailykos.com/...

                "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

                by LilithGardener on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 11:26:19 AM PST

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        •  Realistically or in principle? (3+ / 0-)
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          Realistically, we need universal background checks with an estate transfer law that allows free background checks for transferring guns from one generation to the next, before the gun owner's death.

          In principle, we need national licensing just like we have for vehicles, and to separately license operation/ownership, just like we have for vehicles. E.g. a person can legally go out and buy a big truck, but they can't just give it to their  pre-teen nephew to play show and tell with when his friends come over.

          Farmers can let their teen kids drive the tractor, but no can take a tractor out on the interstate highway.

          Explained in this thread, down below.

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 11:42:51 AM PST

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