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    •  Make the PIRGOC put mental in their gun safety (5+ / 0-)

      procedures and protocols.

      Now they have the 2nd (safety net for sloppy) Amendment, and can't be infringed to actually treat their gun like a gun and not a video game controller.

      by 88kathy on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 09:09:30 AM PST

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      •  There are problems with that approach (9+ / 0-)

        I'm writing a diary on it. The main issue is that the doctor/patient relationship is a privileged one, and in order to form a therapeutic alliance there needs to be trust/respect on both sides.

        The doctor's advice will not be heeded if the patient disagrees... The patient will not tell the truth about what's really going on, if they don't trust their doctor's advice or morals. For the most part, in the US, we don't force people to accept medical treatment that they don't want.

        The second issue is that doctors are not qualified to assess whether someone is competent to use a gun safely, or whether they show risk factors for gun misuse or criminal activity, of even what to assess to think about whether an individual is likely to be a responsible or law-abiding gun owner. There are no standards for such decisions.

        Criminal laws in this area will make the current problem worse; it will inhibit people from seeking and getting treatment for mental health problems, as well as problems with other kinds of addictions, DV, etc.

        "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

        by LilithGardener on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 09:29:36 AM PST

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        •  all true, and there's HIPAA (3+ / 0-)
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        •  But as someone said above. On a personal level, (2+ / 0-)
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          Hey Bob, maybe you might want to take a vacation from guns.

          On a professional level, how to handle mental and guns.

          They don't mention mental unless they are spiking the ball back in our court.

          Now they have the 2nd (safety net for sloppy) Amendment, and can't be infringed to actually treat their gun like a gun and not a video game controller.

          by 88kathy on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 09:54:54 AM PST

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        •  Love your name LilithGardener (1+ / 0-)
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          and the PIRGOC

          Criminal laws in this area will make the current problem worse;
          Lets just start on the surface , some how write a law that says

           " if you do something irresponsible with a gun , you will have your  privileges revoked"

          ??

          I realize that is vague , but it is a start

          Beer Drinkers & Hell Raisers

          by Patango on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 11:21:04 AM PST

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          •  The model we have for vehicles and driver's (1+ / 0-)
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            licenses goes a long way.

            E.g. Park your vehicle illegally? Unsafe parking is well-defined and easily sanctioned, without anyone going to jail. Fine, temporary forfeiture.

            Drop you gun, or it falls out of your bag at the airport? Fine, temporary forfeiture... If we had national licensing separate from ownership, we could sanction proven failures long before anyone gets shot.

            Explained in more detail here:
            http://www.dailykos.com/...

            "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

            by LilithGardener on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 11:26:19 AM PST

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    •  Realistically or in principle? (3+ / 0-)
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      Realistically, we need universal background checks with an estate transfer law that allows free background checks for transferring guns from one generation to the next, before the gun owner's death.

      In principle, we need national licensing just like we have for vehicles, and to separately license operation/ownership, just like we have for vehicles. E.g. a person can legally go out and buy a big truck, but they can't just give it to their  pre-teen nephew to play show and tell with when his friends come over.

      Farmers can let their teen kids drive the tractor, but no can take a tractor out on the interstate highway.

      Explained in this thread, down below.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 11:42:51 AM PST

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