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  •  Sure (2+ / 0-)
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    Easy to spot versus good at what they do, I take it?

    If so, here's my take on it:

    They're good at what they do because they effectively sideline the conversation wrt to the main points of the diary. Meta oftentimes comes as a side effect that contributes further to this. Plenty of pissing contests between users who don't like each other — I've been directly involved in those in several of Ray's diaries — often result.

    Easy to spot because it's the same type of comments that usually set it off — some kind of ad hominem directed at the diarist or some nitpick of a minor inconsistency in the diary that's unimportant in comparison to the larger topic the diary is trying to address. These devolve into petty gotchas and demands for clarification and whatnot.

    And these types of comments are oftentimes offered by the same dedicated group of contrarians who have taken it upon themselves to mount what appears to be a long-term, sustained effort to discredit and wear-down the diarist by way of attrition.

    Is that responsive to your question? If not, please elaborate further and I will attempt to focus-in on what you're getting at.




    Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

    by DeadHead on Sat Jan 04, 2014 at 04:03:25 AM PST

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    •  Well, actually I was thinking about Ray's (3+ / 0-)
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      statement in the diary that these operatives were good at what they do in trying to work on all four of the categories he called out, via the report he was citing. It doesn't strike me that operatives who are actually good at provoking those kinds of transformation would be as trivial to spot as he claims that they are in his trolls box. It sounds as though it would be very much contrary to their being simple to spot.

      Unless you go by the trope that all infiltrators are idiots, in which case it strikes me that a diary warning people about them is a little odd.

      So the conflict was between the body of the diary and the Trolls warning following it, and that they were juxtaposed on the same page. I take all of what Ray says seriously - too seriously perhaps - that's why I end up asking so blasted many questions.

      At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh.... (Yes, there's gender bias in my name; no, I wasn't thinking about it when I signed up. My apologies.)

      by serendipityisabitch on Sat Jan 04, 2014 at 04:32:18 AM PST

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      •  Well, that box might be a little obsolete, then... (0+ / 0-)

        It has, in some form or another, been a sort of boilerplate he's used for awhile now, as you know.

        I haven't actually read the text of that box in quite some time now. I tend to skip right over it, because I know it doesn't apply to me, and I already get the gist of what it's saying.

        Most people who are interested in the actual diary topic itself, even if it's on the same subject, seem to do the same thing.

        In fact, I don't really ever recall it being brought up by anyone other than those who continue to be perpetually unsettled by it.

        Have you noticed that? No one who actually cares about the subject under discussion gives much of a shit about what that box says.

        That, to me, is quite telling.

        That said, I can't offer you an explanation as to why Ray might have posted a diary that contradicts a boilerplate box he likely hasn't thought of updating in awhile.




        Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

        by DeadHead on Sat Jan 04, 2014 at 11:01:15 PM PST

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        •  Give it up for the evening, DeadHead. He updated (0+ / 0-)

          the box two days ago. ;)

          At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh.... (Yes, there's gender bias in my name; no, I wasn't thinking about it when I signed up. My apologies.)

          by serendipityisabitch on Sat Jan 04, 2014 at 11:24:28 PM PST

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