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  •  I've pretty much given up on writing political (5+ / 0-)

    diaries, because the pack dogs and the pie wars and the HR-fests generally make substantive discussion impossible anyway. So I too have been "silenced".

    But I do not believe ANY of these are done by "paid trolls" or by the CIA---I think they are the same sort of plain ole ordinary faction-fighting and hyper-ideologues that the left has ALWAYS had, since the beginning, and will always have, to the end.

    We don't need "paid trolls" to make us fight with each other.  We do it all the time all by ourselves. (shrug)

    In the end, reality always wins.

    by Lenny Flank on Sat Jan 04, 2014 at 06:46:05 AM PST

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    •  It wasn't like that here, (0+ / 0-)

      in the beginning.  That's why I think it was paid trolls.  Not that I've been around a whole lot longer than you, but I remember when we could have vigorous, enthusiastic discussions without descending into self-defeating behaviors.

      190 milliseconds....

      by Kingsmeg on Sat Jan 04, 2014 at 06:54:15 AM PST

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      •  it's been like that as long as I've been here (2+ / 0-)
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        It was like that in all the groups I was in back in the 80's.

        It was like that when MB was active in AIM back in the 60's.

        It was like that in the old IWW back in the 20's.

        It has been like that as long as there have been two human beings who were not joined at the brain. The left has fought with itself ever since there's BEEN a left.  And it won't stop.  Ever.

        In the end, reality always wins.

        by Lenny Flank on Sat Jan 04, 2014 at 07:09:43 AM PST

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    •  Really? (0+ / 0-)

      You seriously don't believe it's possible that ANY, as in ZERO, of this could be the work of "paid" trolls?

      This quote, from this comment by MB, seems to disagree with you:

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      As for trolls and sockpuppets, we've been battling them for the entire existence of this web site, not presuming they don't exist. From Jeff Gannon to the ex-generals and colonels who learned in Pentagon seminars how to be "experts" on television regarding U.S. war policy to the candidate campaign workers who failed to identify themselves, we've done what we could to point them out and, when we caught them here, root them out.

      Though he doesn't mention the word "paid," it sounds as if he's talking about pretty much the same thing, on the whole.

      I won't presume to speak for him. Just something to ponder.

      I will say, however, your disbelief strikes me as naive.




      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

      by DeadHead on Sat Jan 04, 2014 at 09:14:31 PM PST

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      •  we're not worth the CIA or NSA bothering with (1+ / 0-)
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        We do nothing except talk.  And write checks to candidates.

        The trolls and sockpuppets we get are just ideological goobers from Redstate who come here to yank our chains.  Just like some of us do to them.  (shrug)

        Although I do understand that the whole "they're out to get us !!!" thing helps feed that martyr complex that so many of us have . . .

        In the end, reality always wins.

        by Lenny Flank on Sun Jan 05, 2014 at 02:04:21 AM PST

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        •  Fine (0+ / 0-)

          Now that you've declared us unworthy of the NSA's and CIA's time, that leaves only the "paid trolls" category for you to address.

          Are you going to tell me that no one's ever been paid to troll this site?

          If this is indeed your response, how would you know that for certain?




          Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

          by DeadHead on Sun Jan 05, 2014 at 02:51:01 AM PST

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          •  who the hell cares if they are here or not? (4+ / 0-)
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            What do the "paid trolls" do that we don't already do to ourselves?  Write a 1001st "rox/sux" diary to add to the 1000 we've already written ourselves?

            Indeed, the very fact that we CAN'T tell the "paid trolls" from people who simply disagree with us, indicates clearly what a lack of actual effect they have, and what a futile waste of time and effort it is to try and hunt them down.

            In the end, reality always wins.

            by Lenny Flank on Sun Jan 05, 2014 at 03:25:00 AM PST

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