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  •  Members of Congress are the people who (1+ / 0-)
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    in theory at least have the ability to reign in the NSA, so having the NSA spy on those same people and be in the position to control them through blackmail or other sorts of manipulation is especially bad. It gives them the potential to control the nation.

    As for the leaders of other nations, They're fair game as far as I'm concerned. I don't like our spy agencies, but these agencies were created to spy on other countries so I don't see why people are mad about them doing so.

    If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

    by AoT on Fri Jan 03, 2014 at 11:46:09 PM PST

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    •  It's an important distinction. (0+ / 0-)

      Espionage as a tool of diplomacy is one thing, but wholesale spying on entire populations is something else altogether.

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      Actually, Congress has little oversight and does not seem inclined to use even what they have because it's safer to go with the status quo.

      One thing that causes people in other countries to get mad sanctimony and hypocrisy of the US when it comes to such things; for a country that has some rather unique advantages when it comes to internet spying and cyber war and has leveraged them to the hilt, the US, including, in particular, Obama and Hilary Clinton, made much ado about the internet freedom, security and the feeble spying efforts of other countries while the US was doing far worse.

      No one wants to listen the that crap any longer. Credibility lost, I'm afraid.

      So if you really want to say all is fair in love and war, then it's time to stop crying like little babies when it gets turned against the US including the economic repercussions the IT industry is now getting a taste of - I assure you, worse is still to come particularly to companies like IBM and Cisco who are highly dependent on business in countries that got fucked-over by the US Congress over that past couple of years and hacked deep enough to have very serious second thoughts about buying hardware and services from US companies. So no tears or complaints, OK?

      Oh, and fun stuff like STUXNET and Flame; lead and others are sure to follow, but unlike nukes, these tools are abundant and cheap. Should be fun, no?

      Or the US could actually try to set a better example and recover a little credibility. I doubt it will happen, but just saying. It is a choice.

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