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  •  We're in the minority.. (none)
    By definition we're on the defensive.  By definition we have to react rather than act.  Not sure why some people don't seem to understand this.  It's not President Gore or President Kerry, nor is it a Democratic House or Senate.  If it were then things probably wouldn't be going so much to shit.  

    In Britain they admit to having royalty. In the United States we pretend we don't have any, and then we elect them president.

    by Asak on Thu Jun 30, 2005 at 06:41:01 AM PDT

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    •  I've heard this (none)
      a million times already and I think it's bullshit. Our voice as a party is weak right now and I don't think that's only because we're in the minority in almost every branch of the government. Especially on the issue of Iraq, it's either all about how Bush is messing up or nothing at all. There's no unified Dem message on this war at all.

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      by JaneKnowles on Thu Jun 30, 2005 at 06:52:23 AM PDT

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      •  The solution requires courage (none)
        The answer is fairly simple but requires courage.  A draft.  

        Bush has promoted the fallacious idea that multiple, open-ended wars can be fought with no sacrifice here in the homeland.  Driving through your cities or towns how many <i>Support the Troops</i> magnets do you see?  If each of those people took those words to heart, we would have no recruiting problem.  Where is Uncle Sam saying "We Want You?"  People blather about the honor of serving their country but when pressed find a multitude of reasons why they should not serve themselves.

        War is a time of sacrifice.  We need leadership that understands the sober truth of war and dignifies the mission by asking people to help.  Draft isn't a dirty word.  It was sullied by presidents who engaged this nation in ignoble wars.  If the mission is honorable, there is honor in fighting to ensure its success!

        •  "If the mission is honorable (none)
          there is honor in fighting to ensure its success!"

          That's a big "IF"

          So do Democrats want to take the position that we should institute a draft (against the protests of the Republicans) to pull Bush's chestnuts out of the fire? Did he have honorable reasons for invading Iraq?

          Yes, I know that we need to save our soldiers and do the best we can for the Iraqis who are the unfortunate victims of Bush's dishonorable war.

          We need to set a strict timetable of troop draw-downs. Remember the old saying that a job expands to fill the time available? If we give the Iraqi government forever to iron out their differences and stand up their military, that's how long it will take.

          •  Did he have honorable reasons for invading Iraq? (none)
            A draft forces both Republicans and Democrats to put some skin in the game.  You are correct that "If the mission is honorable," contains a very big if.  However, Bush's refusal to ask the American public to make sacrifices in order to win this war, indicates (a) that he miscalculated the demands of this war and (b) that he recognizes public support for the mission isn't sufficient to withstand the request.  If the Iraq War doesn't pass the "Draft Test," then our leadership needs call our service men and women home now.

            The longer Bush equivocates, the more soldiers die unnecessarily.  The majority of casualties in Vietnam occurred <i>after</i> LBJ admitted to McCarthy that we shouldn't be there.  False pride kills.

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