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  •  The NSA is one of some 17 spy agencies.... (5+ / 0-)

    Frankly, the focus on NSA is getting tiresome.  We are all getting duped.  They may become the sacrificial goat--we have some hearings, pass a law restricting them, and go home.  Except that all the other spy agencies continue business as usual.

    For a bunch of otherwise intelligent and informed commentators, I am stunned by the naivete of the postings on this board about spying.  

    1.  If we shut down NSA, there are other agencies still doing this.

    2.  If we shut them all down, others will sprout, probably in even deeper secrecy.  It's like cancer.

    3.  All of this skullduggery depends on access to the telecom and internet channels run by supposedly private corporations.  NSA doesn't have infrastructure of its own--we make calls using Verizon and search for stuff using Google.  We aren't going to make a dent in this spying stuff until we do something about corporate data hoarding.

    But, oh, no, getting strangers to "like" us on line is more important than protecting our personal privacy.  We get what we deserve.

    The Wanderer, from somewhere over the Pacific...

    by Wanderer1961 on Mon Jan 06, 2014 at 10:08:34 PM PST

    •  "Even if NSA's controversial program were shut... (3+ / 0-)
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      OleHippieChick, Mr Robert, OldDragon

      down tomorrow, another government agency that is busy collecting and retaining...

      ...personal data would keep humming along. True accountability for the government’s surveillance activities should also include an airing of -- and tighter restrictions on -- the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s power to collect and store substantial amounts of innocuous information about Americans.

      Since 2008, for instance, the FBI has had the authority to conduct “assessments” -- investigations that require no suspicion of criminal activity...

      ...And what does the FBI do with all of the information it has gathered on innocent Americans? The bureau maintains it for decades, just in case it may be useful in the future...

      The official guidelines governing the agency’s activities are explicit: All information it collects is kept and sometimes shared, “regardless of whether it furthers investigative objectives,” because it may “eventually serve a variety of valid analytic purposes” -- even if that means keeping the information in an FBI database for as long as 30 years...

    •  And it's FBI grabbing the domestic data. (0+ / 0-)

      That's including whatever they've got tracking Congress.

      They have first-dibs on all of it.

      Not NSA.

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