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  •  It's All About Self-Selection (3+ / 0-)
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    IANADS (Demographic Statistician) but I think there's probably a high corellation in this country between positions that are extremely socially conservative and people who identify with evangelical Christianity.

    When an individual who has strong socially conservative positions selects a party, which way are they going to go?  The taint of the GOP's extreme positions on issues like choice, equality, and just about any other social issue you can think of surely gives pause to "tradtitional" conservatives (read: non-crazy).

    •  But that doesn't account for the change (3+ / 0-)
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      unless you want to argue that people changed political parties in the last 5 years based on the evolution question or something that correlates strongly with opinions on evolution.

      Which is to say, maybe the Republicans who believed in evolution in 2009 now call themselves independents. But I think there's some change of opinion taking place within the ranks as people adopt the belief system of their tribe.

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      by blue aardvark on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 11:35:05 AM PST

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      •  I Suspect That MOST (1+ / 0-)
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        Of the "platform level" positions of the Republican party correlate pretty strongly with their position on evolution.

        You also don't need for people to switch parties for these percentages to change, you just need the pool that they're recruiting membership from to change (since people ostensibly "leave the party" when they die).

        I think it's easier for someone who is in the political center but disagrees with extreme social conservative positions to find a home in the Democratic party than it is for that individual to find a home in the Republican party.  

      •  The LEAST religious Republicans have moved (2+ / 0-)
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        toward Creationism, according to Pew analysis ... Jerry Coyne has an article about this. So yes, it's tribalism.

    •  "trad cons" aren't for anything, just against (8+ / 0-)

      "Traditional conservatives" are the people who believe that either things are just the way they should be and all change is bad, or are genuine reactionaries who believe that things were better once but have fallen away from "timeless" and "universal" values in the name of any of a galaxy of faddish socio-economic movements all invariably built upon selfishness and hubris.  They're the tweedy types who love to talk about natural law and social capital and tut-tut about "politics" because in their minds, we live in a world of self-evidence, so the debate about anything is just a bunch of people in love with the sound of their own voices.

      Modern conservatives are almost all radicals of one form or another, with the anarcho-capitalists and the theocrats/theonomists forming the two major blocs, lubricated by culture war and who both rouse the rabble by pandering to simple tribalism.

      Domestic politics is the continuation of civil war by other means.

      by Visceral on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 12:12:38 PM PST

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      •  Point Taken (3+ / 0-)
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        I should have said "traditional Republicans" vs. "traditional Conservatives."

        The Republican Party used to be a much bigger tent than it is today.

        •  these folks are the "traditional Republicans" too (3+ / 0-)
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          They're the truest elitists because they think that rabble rousing (whether on the right or the left) is the worst thing anyone can do.  They affect being Classical scholars and wring their hands about the horrors of "mob rule" and view small-'d' democracy as the gateway drug where people just vote for what they want (rather than what conservatives think they ought to have) and eventually will get drunk on power and pandering and just take what they want.

          They never liked the Democratic Party because even in the days of the racist Dixiecrats, it was the Democrats who put themselves in the camp of the "common man" and his interests and aspirations.  They're people who'd prefer that the common man not know his interests and not have aspirations.

          Their position is that Republican Party is doing [mostly] the right things for [mostly] the wrong reasons because liberal influence over how people see themselves and the world is now so pervasive that it's actually managed to corrupt the right wing as well.  Thus they regard most Republican voters as grasping hysterical children who'd be right at home in the Democratic Party except their tribalistic and totemistic politics of fear and desire is thankfully still directed at the old symbols and values.

          Domestic politics is the continuation of civil war by other means.

          by Visceral on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 12:32:25 PM PST

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      •  Nominated as a Top Comment (0+ / 0-)

        Well written.

        I'm on a mission! Testing the new site rules.

        by blue aardvark on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 12:59:56 PM PST

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