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  •  Lame. (9+ / 0-)

    Sorry, but our party is WAY better than "not as bad as you know who." If you can't see the VAST DIFFERENCES between the right's roadblocking, bigoted, mean-spirited policies, and the left's desire for gun control, expansion of benefits, healthcare, etc., you're just trying not to pay attention so you can spout the same "I hate the lesser of two evils approach" nonsense.

    Our side is WAY better than their homophobic, racist, and stingy side.


    •  You are absolutely right about the relative (5+ / 0-)

      decency of the parties, but divineorder is talking about the political effect of doing what Obama did.  And he is right about that.  

      People like you and I are going to vote Dem no matter what, even if we have to hold our noses.  But this is about turning out people who have to have a damn good reason to vote, and simply because a Democrat is running is not a good enough reason for those people, especially when the Democrat at least appears to be supporting positions that they view as harmful.

      Ted Cruz president? Pardon my Vietnamese, but Ngo Pho King Way.

      by ZedMont on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:42:14 AM PST

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    •  Ouch, now sweetie, that's strong language on (3+ / 0-)

      your 15th comment here, and the twists and turns of it made me quite dizzy !

      you're just trying not to pay attention so you can spout the same "I hate the lesser of two evils approach" nonsense

      Take a deep breath, and by all means, please proceed!  Go right on after those mean old critics of our Dems and TRY to get then to STFU, okay?

      Have been paying enough attention to  sadly conclude that Our Democratic Party is laced with leaders who are much more in tune with traditional Republican values than in any time in history,  from the top on down-- that's just the facts.  Campaign cash from 1%/corporate interests make the job so much more manageable, but  means we have to fight for crumbs for the 99% and we must change that.

      Go have a look at kos diary history and read his post on the Third Way and enlighten yourself to some of the problems we face with this orientation to big money.

      Some of us here have decided to only work for, and fund those of a more progressive persuasion.  YMMV.

      Thursday night I am going to a fundraiser for a progressive Dem Candidate here  in NM.  This will give you an idea of the type of people we are looking to rebuild the Democratic Party:

      Dear Robert,


      What: Rio Grande Chapter PAC fundraiser, with special guest state Rep. Stephanie Garcia Richard
      When: 5:30-7 p.m.
      Jan. 9
      Where: Eleanor Eisenmenger's home, 322 Delgado St., Santa Fe
      RSVP: Susan Martin,, 505-670-3279

      The last three years have had a heartbreaking impact on New Mexico's air, water, wildlife and land.

      Since the day I won my 2012 race for the New Mexico House by just 331 votes, Gov. Susana Martinez and the PAC that supports her have targeted my district, sending robocalls and mailers attacking me with an eye on getting a House majority sympathetic to Martinez in 2014.

      The balance of power in the New Mexico Legislature is just two seats from becoming anti-environmental, which is why I'm asking you to join me Jan. 9 to support the Rio Grande Chapter PAC.

      The Rio Grande Chapter focuses its efforts on tight, winnable races where pro-environment candidates can pick up or defend a seat, like my Los Alamos-area district.

      The chapter works hard on the ground and in the media for pro-environment candidates for the Legislature as well as governor, U.S. Senate and House and the Public Regulation Commission, where three commissioners are up for election.

      Contributing to the Rio Grande Chapter PAC is an effective way to support candidates who share your concern for protecting New Mexico, and that’s why I hope you'll join me Jan. 9 for refreshments and conversation and a chance to help elect a better government in 2014.

      Looking forward to seeing you next Thursday,

      New Mexico Rep. Stephanie Garcia Richard

      Please RSVP to Susan Martin at, 505-670-3279.

      P.S.: If you can't make it Thursday, you can contribute to the Rio Grande Chapter PAC here.

      Contributions to the Rio Grande Chapter of the Sierra Club PAC are not tax-deductible.

      Former Clinton Administration official Robert Reich, Democrat, had a good post on FB this morning and races a quality question....

      I'm freezing in Chicago. Meanwhile, in Washington, Republicans say they won't extend emergency unemployment benefits unless their cost is offset by cuts elsewhere in the budget. But they won't even consider offsetting the cost by closing tax loopholes for the rich -- such as the "carried interest" loophole that gives hedge-fund and private-equity partners an annual $11 billion tax subsidy, almost twice the cost of extending unemployment benefits. Put this in a larger context and see the pattern: (1) Not only do they oppose extending unemployment benefits, but (2) they oppose any jobs program to put the long-term unemployed to work, (3) they want to cut food stamps, (4) they refuse to raise the minimum wage, and (5) they're determined to kill off unions. Connect the dots and you have a calculated strategy to keep wages as low as possible -- forcing large numbers of Americans to choose between working for peanuts or having nothing at all. Republicans are pushing this strategy because lower wages give their big-business patrons fatter profits (at least in the short term; longer term, they reduce overall demand for goods and services). The strategy is already succeeding: Real median household incomes are now 4.4 percent below what they were at the start of the so-called recovery, and corporate profits are up. Democrats, including Obama, should be calling them out on this strategy. Why aren't they?
      Look forward to see more of you here !


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      by divineorder on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:47:24 AM PST

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      •  You lost me at... (1+ / 0-)
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        ..."Sweetie." With that rude and disrespectful salutation, you revealed your ignorance and condescension. Why on earth would I read any further? I have virtually NO idea what the rest of your reply says. Shame you blew it on the first impression. Lost a chance to get your message across. Although...if you're going to pat people on the head with belittling names like "Sweetie," my guess is you didn't have much interesting or valuable to say.

        Thanks so much for sparing me what looks like a long, boring, lecturing, patronizing read.

    •  lame. (5+ / 0-)

      that whooshing sound is divine order's point going past you.

      The base turns out when Democrats stand up to the Republicans and offer real programs,  not watered down pablum.

      All Dems have to do is introduce bills and programs that 70% of Americans approve of, instead of being scared to be seen as real Democrats.  Give the voters something to be voting FOR, rather than merely be the "not crazy" party.

      President Obama STILL criticizes "Congress" rather than the real cause of the problem,  which is the Republican'ts in Congress.  He is still looking to bargain away the New Deal,  bit by bit.

      I am simply not inspired to go out and vote for Republican-lite.  I will vote,  of course, but I'd prefer to be voting FOR programs we need.

      don't always believe what you think

      by claude on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:54:29 AM PST

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      •  I remember the last four years (2+ / 0-)
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        claude, Buckeye Nut Schell

        Every time I or anyone below the pecking order of Atrios, Krugman or Brad DeLong dared to criticize Obama, we were shat upon with amazing speed with hoary cries of "Don't criticize Obama! Do you want to help elect a REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT?" here and on myriad other 'progressive' sites.

        He has been re-elected, with my help and my vote. There was never any danger of a GOP President; there will not be, as long as Rush, FOX News and the Teabaggers are calling the shots. Obama SHOULD BE CRITICIZED for many, many different issues; he has failed us much more than he has had 'successes'. And he has used the GOP, et al as his backup excuse. Absolutely pathetic. He has not done his job. He has not refused to cooperate with the GOP. He is passive. He is the worst President in my lifetime, as regards what he promised, and what he has produced.

        We needed an FDR; we got a Herbert Hoover WITH a non-GOP-but-GOP-compliant Democratic Congress. We still have 7% UE and a large and growing gap of economic inequality. The banks are running wild, with OUR MONEY. The ACA is a piece of shit--baby steps progress though it may be. Obama has been spying on us, running Bush's wars, ignoring jobs.

        I know for a fact that I would be grousing about at least only HALF of the complaints I have against Obama if Hillary were President. We wait--again, and again, and still we wait some more.

        "I feel a lot safer already."--Emil Sitka

        by DaddyO on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 11:32:36 AM PST

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      •  And that scratching sound... (1+ / 0-)
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        emelyn the same "nails on a chalkboard"...pablum divine order tried to dish. It's utterly asinine to call the Dems simply "not as bad" when the Repubs are dishing dangerous, racist, homophobic, lethal bull$h!t. Before the Tea Party, I'd buy the "lesser of two evils" argument. In fact, I'd make it. Today's Repubs are on a whole other plane of nastiness.

        That whooshing sound is the larger point of the sheer invidiousness that now permeates the right when it comes to children, poor folks, gays, black and brown people, immigrants, and women going past YOU. For you to call what we have on the left as Republican lite says you think we're "lite" homophobic, "lite" bigoted, "lite" anti-women, etc. Really? That's absurd.

        All I'm asking is for people to use more considered and thought-out language before throwing around hackneyed nonsense like, "Lesser of two evils," "Republican lite," etc. That's just EASY drivel. Write a full diary that's more thoughtful and less cliche.

    •  They have even started LITERAL roadblocking! (0+ / 0-)

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