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  •  Not just republicans but so many come to mind. (11+ / 0-)

    reagan was even a divorced president
    and besides gingrich  I think of McCain, Sanford, that Florida (walsh, welsh?) who didn't pay child support...

    My friend's dad was a republican in Washington in the 70s who remarried several times until he finally got one younger than my friends. His 2nd wife was giving me some gossip on affairs there and when I shuddered at some of the ugly men getting young mistresses she said that was life. Men in power or in bands didn't need looks or personality to get the groupies.

    Well ugh. But marrying them, bigger ugh somehow..

    •  Joe Walsh (no, not THAT Joe Walsh) (10+ / 0-)

      and he was an Illinois congressman (beaten in 2012 by Tammy Duckworth).

      The last time the Republicans were this radical, they were working to elect former slaves to Congress. What a difference a century and a half makes!

      by jayjaybear on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 06:50:38 AM PST

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    •  In 2008 the ONLY candidate with one wife... (12+ / 0-)

      was the Mormon. (you seriously can't make this shit up)

      That should tell you all you need to know about the state of the GOP and their so called family values.  

      This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

      by DisNoir36 on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 06:59:19 AM PST

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    •  There was a list a few years ago (13+ / 0-)

      Of prominent politicians who'd divorced their first spouses and remarried, accompanied by a list of those who'd stayed with their first spouse (albeit sometimes after an affair or two).  All but about two were Republicans.

      There was a similar list contrasting the military service of prominent Republicans and Democrats - and the only Republicans who'd ever put on a uniform were John McCain  (Navy) and George W. Bush (National Guard).  NONE of the others, including some noted hawks AND a man who'd beaten a triple amputee 'Nam veteran (Saxby Chambliss, whose campaign against Max Clelland was shameful), had served, and some (like the late Jack Kemp, who claimed that a bum knee was too painful for the draft but then went on to a distinguished football career) had gone to ridiculous lengths to avoid serving.

      The Democrats on the list, with the exception of Bill Clinton (attempted conscientious objector) and Ted Kennedy (too young for WWII, too old for 'Nam), not only had served, at least two (Al Gore and John Kerry) volunteered instead of taking advantage of their wealth and family connections to get out of serving in Vietnam.  

      Quite a shock to see it all laid out like that.

      This isn't freedom. This is fear - Captain America

      by Ellid on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 07:48:06 AM PST

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      •  Carter (4+ / 0-)
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        Add Carter to the list of volunteers.  

        It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

        by ksuwildkat on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 10:01:33 AM PST

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        •  Not quite the same - (1+ / 0-)
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          Carter was an Annapolis grad, meaning that he was actively planning for a military career as an officer from at least midway through high school, possibly earlier.  He had to line up a local congressional representative to recommend him to the Academy, then survive the brutality of Plebe Summer, then spend four years at the Naval Academy before getting a commission and spending five years on active duty.   If he'd stayed in past his required five-year commitment, he would have been in line to go career and muster out after twenty or thirty years as a captain, minimum, possibly as high as flag rank.  

          Gore and Kerry simply enlisted and went through Basic Training alongside ordinary servicemen who'd been drafted.  Neither had the specialized training or course of study you get at a service academy, and I highly doubt that either was remotely interested in a military career.  What they did was admirable, especially since they were both from wealthy, prominent families that could have either gotten them a deferral or duty in the National Guard, but it wasn't even close to what Carter did to get through Annapolis.

          Also, Carter entered the Naval Academy during WWII but didn't graduate until 1947.  He served until 1953, which was a year longer than his legal commitment, but never actually saw combat.  Kerry and Go, OTOH, both enlisted during the Vietnam War, and both were in combat zones.  Not at all the same.

          This isn't freedom. This is fear - Captain America

          by Ellid on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 01:07:36 PM PST

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          •  To me Carter was more remarkable (1+ / 0-)
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            He was class of 47.  He joined when war was raging all over the world.  He could have easily stayed in his fathers business and been exempt from service.  Instead he choose the Navy at the very time it was losing multiple ships a day.  The Navy got their teeth kicked in right up until 1945.  

            Cater was a volunteer in every sense of the word.

            It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

            by ksuwildkat on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 03:47:27 PM PST

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            •  Uh, "their teeth kicked in"? What? (0+ / 0-)

              That's not even close to being accurate, either in the Pacific or the Atlantic theaters.  The convoy system had dramatically reduced the number of ships lost (both Naval and Liberty) to U-boats, and once America cracked the Purple Code and got decent torpedoes, the Japanese were on the run and they knew it.  Add in the huge string of victories from Midway on, and I am frankly stunned that anyone could describe the naval battles of World War II as the Allies "getting their teeth kicked in."

              Good heavens.

              This isn't freedom. This is fear - Captain America

              by Ellid on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 05:48:25 PM PST

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              •  A LOT of ships went down (0+ / 0-)

                It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

                by ksuwildkat on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 06:01:09 PM PST

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                •  Your point? (0+ / 0-)

                  You seem to forget that a) the Japanese and the Germans suffered far, far worse losses, b) the Americans had a LOT more ships than this, and c) the Americans won the E!$!E$@$!$@!$!$@! war in the Pacific so decisively that the Japanese were reduced to sending their biggest battleships out on a suicide mission so they could be deliberately scuttled and their guns used as a shore battery.  That is NOT "getting their teeth kicked in" by any standard.

                  head desk

                  This isn't freedom. This is fear - Captain America

                  by Ellid on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 07:59:00 PM PST

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                •  Also, I just realized that you are equating (0+ / 0-)

                  landing craft with actual warships, which is ridiculous, and aren't differentiating between ships sunk during, say, the invasion of the Phillipines in 1942 and the Solomons campaign of 1943 with the much, much lower losses of 1945.

                  As for the whole "we lost a lot of ships so we were getting our kicked in," you need to read this little web page.  It's quite clear that for every ship we lost, including the ships that weren't even actually ships, we had many, many more:

                  http://www.ibiblio.org/...

                  rolls eyes

                  This isn't freedom. This is fear - Captain America

                  by Ellid on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 08:06:47 PM PST

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