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  •  Psych Link... (10+ / 0-)

    Awesome link - that has been my goto site for psych vocabulary for many years. Funny to see it there.

    A bit of a quibble, it's not negative reinforcement vs positive reinforcement you are thinking of, it's punishment or reinforcment.

    Negative reinforcement is putting pressure or pain on until the subject complies or performs the desired behavior. The removal of the aversive winds up reinforcing the behavior. It can be pretty brutal stuff, and is also in play every day, but I don't think that's where you wanted to go there.

    I agree with you that we live with a punitive hegemony, at least when it comes to poor small people who are literally worth less than rich big people. Rich big people live under a different set of rules where positive reinforcement is the only methodology that really motivates their behavior.

    It's interesting, positive training developed with marine mammals because in the paraphrased words of Ted Turner,"You can't choke chain a killer whale," and the only reason we do it with dogs is because we can and they take it.

    I guess I never really grasped the social implications of that statement, but holy shit do I now: the Big Guys and Big Corporate have to be managed with positive reinforcement, and negative punishment (humane training) due to size, scale, and temperament, but us little guys get positive punishment and negative reinforcement - because they can do it and we'll take it.

    That's quite an epiphany for me, what a great result of participating in this diary...

    Democracy - 1 person 1 vote. Free Markets - More dollars more power.

    by k9disc on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 05:11:23 AM PST

    •  Thanks for the clarification, k9disc. (2+ / 0-)
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      I had one psych class in college and enjoyed it but then forgot it. I blame my mother and my penis size.  

      As for the rest of your long comment, I agree with much of it, but I hope you don't give up. There is progress being made, and that is reflected in the polling that has shown up on the front page in the last 24 hours. Progressive ideas are winning.

      I would also note that the sheer volume of money being spent by the other side, as well as the lengths they'll go to (who fucking fucks with voting rights?), shows to me that they are scared.

      Rand Paul is to civil liberties as the Disney Channel is to subtle and nuanced acting. On biblical prophesy: If you play the bible backwards, it says, "Paul is dead."

      by Tortmaster on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 05:53:52 AM PST

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      •  Right on man. Super cool to have this idea come (2+ / 0-)
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        to fruition here.

        It's really clarifying. I live and breathe that stuff, and it's in play in interpersonal interactions all the time - having a bit of knowledge can really help to smooth out situations.

        Like economics, it doesn't always transition to the macro in the same way. There's some counter intuitive stuff, or so it seems, until you see something like this:

        Orca get the cookies, dogs get the choke chain.

        And then it seems kind of obvious, and is a,"Doh!" moment.

        Democracy - 1 person 1 vote. Free Markets - More dollars more power.

        by k9disc on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 05:59:55 AM PST

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