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  •  Here's your bunkness takedown (15+ / 0-)
    b. There Are Established and Effective Whistleblowing Procedures in Place
    8 Whistleblowers Charged With Violating the Espionage Act Under Obama

    It's rather sad to see people who would rightly condemn these outrageous assaults on our civil liberties if a Republican did them (and they did!) with "It's O.K. If Obama Does It."
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    •  I believe I have ... (1+ / 0-)
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      ... addressed each of those cases multiple times before. It would take me hours to re-do that research and probably just as long to find my comments about them on dkos. The bottom line for each was that they weren't whistleblowers. (Although I think one may have been a whistleblower but was prosecuted under the Bush regime until his case dragged on to the Obama justice department, which took a misdemeanor plea.)

      There were 4,000+ Government whistleblowers in 2012. Why haven't we heard of any of them? Those folks followed the procedures and many of them undoubtedly helped the Government to function better in the future.  

      Rand Paul is to civil liberties as the Disney Channel is to subtle and nuanced acting. On biblical prophesy: If you play the bible backwards, it says, "Paul is dead."

      by Tortmaster on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 07:15:52 AM PST

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      •  You do know that it won't be rogue elements that (6+ / 0-)

        go wrong in the current iteration of the NSA and intelligence community in the future, it will be business interests that do that.

        Think about that for a moment. Seriously.

        Now, look at the Global War on Terror, same thing, it's not the rogue dictators that we're after, they're cool. It's the business interests that drive warfare.

        These things are now so privatized that your beautiful piece on checks and balances and trust in the sovereign state of America here is rendered fairly moot. We don't just have justice to contend with, not just the laws of man, but the laws of the market.

        What happens when dKos writers run afoul of business interests in the not so far off future? or Striking workers? What guarantees that we have constitutional protections and the rule of law?

        And that's what is so fucking scary about the path we're taking. When business interests trump sovereignty and self governance the people are in trouble. When business interests have access to omniscient intelligence? I have no idea, and shudder to think.

        Democracy - 1 person 1 vote. Free Markets - More dollars more power.

        by k9disc on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 07:58:27 AM PST

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        •  I think we agree on the problem ... (1+ / 0-)
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          ... but not on the solution. Mine is to win elections in the short term, watch the Republicans die out, and then move to my model "non-profit economy." We'd have to start out in a few certain industries to begin with, and just one competitor in each market, but eventually it would provide a cheaper and better product to the consumer. Imagine a non-profit television station that wasn't state-owned? We all have our dreams.  

          Rand Paul is to civil liberties as the Disney Channel is to subtle and nuanced acting. On biblical prophesy: If you play the bible backwards, it says, "Paul is dead."

          by Tortmaster on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 08:55:18 AM PST

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