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  •  Ford did not have authority to do that (8+ / 0-)

    But what was the point in challenging it.

    It was a political move, not a constitutional or legally tenable action.

    Ford sent the signal that any conviction would be meaningless.
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    The Real Issue:

    The issue is whether Snowden should be prosecuted for anything.  The guy's "offense" is witnessing massive criminality and disclosing this fact to the media and to the public, both of which have an absolute right to know.

    Until the government becomes serious and starts prosecuting  those who have committed continuous and large-scale felonies against us, there is no point in expecting Edward Snowden will be protected from unjust & unwarranted retaliatory prosecution or that anything close to "equal protection under the law" shall ever apply to him.

    He is a whistle-blower.  He is a witness to crimes. He is not a criminal.

    sláinte,
    cl
    -- Religion is like sodomy: both can be harmless when practiced between consenting adults but neither should be imposed upon children.

    by Caoimhin Laochdha on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 08:10:13 AM PST

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    •  Jimmy Carter pardons Vietnam War draft dodgers. (8+ / 0-)

      1977, President Jimmy Carter pardons all Vietnam War draft dodgers.

      During his presidential campaign, Carter had announced his intention to pardon those who had failed to register for the draft or left the country to avoid service.

      In a televised debate with incumbent President Gerald Ford, Carter proposed to implement a blanket pardon, in contrast to Ford's more selective clemency plan.

      Carter interpreted pardon as meaning that what you did, whether it's right or wrong, you're forgiven for it. And I do advocate a pardon for draft evaders.to bring about an end to the divisiveness that has occurred in our country as a result of the Vietnam War.
      On his second day in office, January 21, 1977, he followed through on his promise.
      http://www.history.com/...

      For our fallen solders who come home from Afghanistan to Dover AF mortuary, "God bless the cause of "The Good War" for which they died" - As if any war can be called Good in its 13th year, America's longest war.

      by allenjo on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 10:11:02 AM PST

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      •  Accepting a pardon explicitly is an admission of (6+ / 0-)

        guilt.



        Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

        by Wee Mama on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 01:28:43 PM PST

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        •  sure beats prison, doesn't it? (3+ / 0-)

          Or as some government employee said about Snowden - hang him by his head until he's dead, or words similar to that.

          I think if a president can accept a pardon, that Snowden can probably live with it.

          For our fallen solders who come home from Afghanistan to Dover AF mortuary, "God bless the cause of "The Good War" for which they died" - As if any war can be called Good in its 13th year, America's longest war.

          by allenjo on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 01:56:40 PM PST

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      •  It also applied to those 1100 or so who... (11+ / 0-)

        ...went to prison for refusing to be drafted.

        Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

        by Meteor Blades on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 03:15:54 PM PST

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      •  Correct about history - disagree w/ "Dodgers" term (0+ / 0-)

        Jimmy Carter pardoned civilians convicted, or who served a sentence for ignoring/avoiding the draft.

        Whether he had the constitutional authority to "pardon" someone prior to committing, in the commission of, or prior to being convicted of a crime is, however, a separate issue.

        There was also the issue of those who never received an adjudication and/or served time for draft evasion.  For these people, I think the proper term for Carter did was to give "amnesty" for this class of citizens rather than a "pardon."

        He and/or the media may have reported it as a "pardon;" however, the effect was to give blanket amnesty to an entire class of citizens.

        Relative to "draft dodgers," I disagree with the use of that term.  In the context of the U.S. War on Vietnam, the term "dodger" is inflammatorily loaded.  It is denigrating to those who were forced to serve our country by accepting the hardships and loss of not fighting against the people of Vietnam.  

        sláinte,
        cl
        -- Religion is like sodomy: both can be harmless when practiced between consenting adults but neither should be imposed upon children.

        by Caoimhin Laochdha on Sat Feb 01, 2014 at 11:58:17 AM PST

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        •  I agree with you - Relative to "draft dodgers" (0+ / 0-)

          Caoimhin Laochdha

          Relative to "draft dodgers," I disagree with the use of that term.
          But I didn't write the article, only copied it.

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