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  •  a President trying (4+ / 0-)

    to keep popular campaign promises, what a debacle.

    •  Yeah. Really. (3+ / 0-)
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      Mr. Gates, HELLO?  Why was President Obama elected?  One of the BIG reasons was to end the Iraq War and the Afghanistan War.

      MSNBC is going to have a field day with this one.

      •  elected, hell (2+ / 0-)
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        it's the whole reason he was nominated in the first place instead of HRC.

        You WANT me on that server! You NEED me on that server!

        by nota bene on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 01:20:37 PM PST

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      •  Obama's approach on Afghanistan (0+ / 0-)

        was a bit more nuanced (mini-surge, shift to anti-terror), but Gates didn't have -- and doesn't have -- a criticism of that.  What he has is a description of Gates' own thoughts on observing Obama being upset at an NSC meeting.

        I hate that Gates puts me in the position of defending Congress, but they have the Constitutional right to be as truculent as their constituents will tolerate, and in the case of the Iraq surge, the obligation.  I'm sorry that Gates saw that as such an imposition, but he said nothing about it to anyone at the time, so why should we care now?  He wrote in the WSJ excerpt, "I wanted to storm out."  But he didn't.  

        The other issue is how the media interpret Gates' comments -- they side with his narrative, the self-anointed view from nowhere "Centrist" garbage, even though the facts Gates lays out thoroughly contradict it.  It's the worst mismatch between text and subtext since the Starr report.

        Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

        by Loge on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 02:05:12 PM PST

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        •  Yes, but Afghanistan also trickier situation (0+ / 0-)

          Afghanistan was the first country where efforts concentrating on defeating Al-Qaeda and given President Bush's concentration was SOLELY on Iraq, we heard more about Iraq than Afghanistan and less concentration in Afghanistan than Iraq.

          I myself have never been comfortable about the whole Afghanistan situation.  Obama really got handed a diffcult situation and one hell of a mess from President Bush so I'm sure he made the best decisions possible in crazy circumstances.

          I agree that Robert Gates though is not an ideologue.  That's the interesting part.  However, we're hearing this NOW as opposed to when Gates was Secretary of Defense.

          I can definitely sense Darrell Issa wants to launch an investigation into this.

      •  and guantanamo (0+ / 0-)

        how is that working out?

        •  Unfortunately not as quickly as expected (0+ / 0-)

          But now it appears light at the end of the tunnel may be there for Guantanamo Bay to be shutdown.  Still have to see how this pans out.

          Now is Robert Gates going to criticize Obama for shutting down Guantanamo when it's shutdown (and if)?

          Gee, after what he just talked about, you wonder.

          •  I am pissed about Guantanamo (0+ / 0-)

            As the CINC, Obama could have ended Guantanamo on day one.  There is nothing to justify having Guantanamo open 6 years after his election.

            •  Agreed (0+ / 0-)

              I'm with you there on that.  My understanding is that Congress (under Democratic House and Senate from 2009-2010) wouldn't close Guantanamo so that's an even bigger problem.  I'm guessing there has to be Congressional approval on this.  Obama did issue an Executive Order closing Guantanamo Bay


              Perhaps I'm missing something here.

              •  The President (0+ / 0-)

                Could have closed Guantanamo at any time.  To say otherwise is delusion.  The only reason it is still open is due to politics, and to blame politics is cowardice.

                •  Maybe - You could be right (0+ / 0-)

                  2009 was one hell of a year and President Obama is still cleaning up President Bush's mess.  I wouldn't like to be in Obama's shoes at all right now.

                  The good news though is that 2016 is looking great for Democrats as far as the presidency so given the GOP field right now is looking like nothing more than deadbeats (plus Chris Christie not looking good right now in the NJ scandal), there is reason for optimism.

                  We'll see.  

                  •  President Obama (0+ / 0-)

                    Was not drafted, he asked for the job.  He asked me for $ to help him get elected, which I gladly donated.  One of the reasons I gave him my hard earned cash was that he promised to close Guantanamo.

                    Now, if I was a salesman, and I promised my product would do X if you made a purchase, and then it did not do what I promised, what would you do?  Just throw up your hands and say "it's a good company, maybe next time".

                •  power of the purse (0+ / 0-)

                  the President can't legally spend money that Congress doesn't approve.   Some things can be fuzzed around the edges, use funds that are for substantially the same purpose from another agency or account, but Congress was pretty clear he could not use defense money for closing Guantanamo and moving prisoners into military or civil prisons.


                  The President even lost several democrats on that vote,  this wasn't going anywhere without a huge and probably ultimately useless fight with Congress.

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