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  •  Probably about the same as a Blue Dog (2+ / 0-)
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    They'll lose.  Why?  Because the Dems could run George W. Bush in makeup and the GOP would STILL call him a liberal.  

    This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

    by DisNoir36 on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 11:17:18 AM PST

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    •  Exactly. (1+ / 0-)
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      In 2010, most of the Blue Dogs ran as conservatives, and they all lost by big margins. In Virginia, Tom Periello ran as a liberal, defending Obamacare, and... he lost as well. Lose-lose situation basically.

      •  The difference is (1+ / 0-)
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        in 2010 there were a total of 3 or 4 progressives who lost and one lost in a primary because her son was a corrupt bastard.  However, there were a ton of Blue Dogs who lost.

        My point was that the district was trending very red and it wouldn't matter because the Dems don't have a good shot either way and no matter who they put up the GOP will paint them as liberals.  That doesn't mean we shouldn't run a progressive candidate.  If anything we should run a progressive candidate because running a blue dog will net the same result.  A progressive will be much more likely to touch a populist nerve, excite the base and pull an upset and since it's a difficult district to win it would be a win win for the Dems.  If that progressive lost well it's not like much was expected anyway.    

        This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

        by DisNoir36 on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 01:48:36 PM PST

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        •  True, run a progressive. (0+ / 0-)

          That will truly show what the Democrat support is. Running Blue dogs worked in 2006 and 2008, when Bush's approval ratings were below 40% and he was shedding support even in conservative districts.

        •  such a surprise- Blue Dogs held more (1+ / 0-)
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          marginal districts than progressives!

          ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

          by James Allen on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 03:29:32 PM PST

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        •  Which districts progressives (0+ / 0-)

          usually run in, and which are "Blue Dog" districts??? Majority of progressives run in a districts, where absolutely anyone with "(D)" after their name would win - even, well,.... not very smart people (so to say) too.. Blue Dogs mostly run in districts inherently difficult for Democrats: moderate to strong Republican swing usually. So, how on Earth it's possible to compare their performance, especially - in wave years??? Of course, Blue Dog's districts are "first to go, last to come"... Does it makes them less valuable? No way, absolutely opposite! After all - i already presented Cook's numbers: there are only 163 districts with PVI D+5 or higher now. Where (and with which candidates) do you intend to get other 55? "Bold progressibes"? Don't make me laugh...

          P.S. Which must be a size of "Republican wave" to threaten security of Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Jose Serrano or Charles RAngel. They can "afford" to be a progressive, may other - doesn't

    •  McIntyre won it, he was a Blue Dog. (0+ / 0-)

      but probably nobody else could. They gerrymandered it into a pretty damn Republican district.

      ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

      by James Allen on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 12:51:06 PM PST

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      •  And a lot of good that did the Dems (1+ / 0-)
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        They were still in the minority and that asshole gave the GOP bipartisan cover on multiple votes.

        This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

        by DisNoir36 on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 01:49:35 PM PST

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        •  he voted with us mostly (2+ / 0-)
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          which is more than you can say of anyone else the district would elect.

          ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

          by James Allen on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 02:46:37 PM PST

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          •  Why limit it to the district? (0+ / 0-)

            You replace him with a Dem in say NJ-03 and the Dem Party will be that much better off.  We lose a 50-50 Dem in NC but gain a 85-15 Dem in NJ instead.  The GOP gets a 100-0 GOoPer in NC but loses a 100-0 GOoPer in NJ.

            It's asinine to focus on the one red district and try to find someone who will vote with us sometimes when we have several other bluer districts where we can elect far better Dems who will vote with the party more often.

            This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

            by DisNoir36 on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 04:18:22 PM PST

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            •  Because you didn't win (1+ / 0-)
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              NJ-03 yet, and are not very likely to win it, absent a Lonegan candidacy. And because there are very few districts, like NJ-03 remain: winnable by Democrats and represented by Republicans. Much less then democrats need for majority..

        •  You will have a "luxury" (0+ / 0-)

          to compare McIntyre votes with those of his Republican successor in less then a year. May be - THEN you will begin to understand something

    •  Reminds me of what Sen. Jim Sasser did... (0+ / 0-)

      ...in 1994.  He ran ads (as a long time incumbent Democrat) on Rush Limbaugh's radio show.  And despite giving Rush mounds of cash even Rush thought it was a hilarious.  And not in a good way.

      The lady was enchanted and said they ought to see. So they charged her with subversion and made her watch TV -Spirogyra

      by Taget on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 01:21:25 PM PST

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