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  •  In this case, I don't think you're right. Hillel's (9+ / 0-)

    official charter is to support such a resolution. However, with that in mind, actions do speak louder than words.

    "If the Jew who struggles for justice for Palestine is considered anti-Semitic, & if Palestinians seeking self-determination are so accused...then no oppositional move can take place w/o risking the accusation." - Judith Butler

    by David Harris Gershon on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 12:08:45 PM PST

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    •  If every person and group that (18+ / 0-)

      supported Palestinian statehood in theory supported it in fact then there'd be a Palestinian state already. Even here this is true. I simply don't believe it when they work to make sure that Palestine isn't recognized as a state.

      If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

      by AoT on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 12:32:46 PM PST

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    •  The term "two-state" solution (6+ / 0-)
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      can mean so many different things as to be basically meaningless.  Netanyahu says he supports one as well, but it's really one state and practically a vassal.

      •  In my ideal scenario ... (11+ / 0-)

        It would be a Palestinian state based on '67 lines, with all settlements evacuated (which would never happen), which is why I support 1:1 land swaps for those settlements which remain.

        I know, I know ... the realities on the ground make a contiguous state nearly impossible. Which is why, if the far right in Israel gets what it unintentionally wants, we will have a bi-national state.

        As for Gaza, and Palestinian reconciliation, I don't have any easy answers.

        "If the Jew who struggles for justice for Palestine is considered anti-Semitic, & if Palestinians seeking self-determination are so accused...then no oppositional move can take place w/o risking the accusation." - Judith Butler

        by David Harris Gershon on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 04:26:39 PM PST

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        •  And what about the right of return? (6+ / 0-)

          There's no form of two-state solution without addressing it.

          •  I support a narrow interpretation of RoR (4+ / 0-)
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            In my scenario, we are talking about reparations and economic support, with limited numbers allowed to return in certain areas.

            I don't support absolute right-of-return. I also don't think it's realistic or possible, regardless of what my view happens to be.

            "If the Jew who struggles for justice for Palestine is considered anti-Semitic, & if Palestinians seeking self-determination are so accused...then no oppositional move can take place w/o risking the accusation." - Judith Butler

            by David Harris Gershon on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 09:02:14 PM PST

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            •  And here's where we disagree. (4+ / 0-)
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              I think it's important to note that having the right of return doesn't mean that one does return; it means that one has the right to make the decision for oneself about whether or not to do so. Or to choose reparations or economic support.

              I think that that's a right that all displaced persons or their descendents have.  And I think that that's something that we, as Jews, should be especially sensitive to, as so much of our ideology, for lack of a better word at the moment, is that we are a people who were exiled and are yearning to return.  Why should others not have that same right?

              And I say that fully cognizant of how extraordinarily difficult an actual physical return would be to implement.  And I have no idea how many Palestinians or their descendents who were displaced in the Nakba would want to return. But rights are not divisible.

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