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  •  Regarding feminists and feminism-- (3+ / 0-)

    to use and unrelated example--feminists might denounce as "faux" defenses of traditional gender roles by sophisticated people with high-falutin' academic credentials. Such people may be dis-invited as speakers at feminist functions, and generally cold-shouldered, because of the notion that "we've been there already; we've been over it; this person is not offering anything new."

    There seems to be something different at work here. To my knowledge, as somebody not personally interested in the I/P question, the state-of-the-art in the human-rights discourse does admit free discussion of Israeli policy towards Palestinians. It is no way off-limits, and, by itself, does not constitute "hatred of Israel."

    Too, I understood that free discussion is no less than a bedrock of Judaism. The Talmud, part of the Jewish canon, is devoted to learned discussion of scripture and teaching by mortals.

    Why wouldn't that ethic prevail here?

    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

    by karmsy on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 12:51:31 PM PST

    •  I believe the ethic is not prevailing in this (5+ / 0-)
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      instance because -- and this is my humble view -- Jews as a people are still collectively suffering from post-Holocaust PTSD. (And really, who could blame us?)

      There is an existential fear for Israel's destruction, and that fear creates a situation in which people view the conflict as a zero-sum game. You're either with us, or against us.

      Those who feel this way view anyone who might legitimize boycotts as a nonviolent form of protest as against us.

      "If the Jew who struggles for justice for Palestine is considered anti-Semitic, & if Palestinians seeking self-determination are so accused...then no oppositional move can take place w/o risking the accusation." - Judith Butler

      by David Harris Gershon on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 01:04:12 PM PST

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      •  Respectfully, sir, (1+ / 0-)
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        the first letter of PTSD stands for "post".  American Jews, and others around the world younger than the Holocaust generation are extensively fixated that way but Israel isn't oversimplistically "post" anything, your experiences there and consequent opinions not withstanding.  

        Fear about Israel's possible destruction (or being bombed back into the stone age), is only high-falutin "existential" to Jews who don't live there fulltime and permanently.

        Maybe some or even many there or here see it as "you're either with us or against us," but considering how many religions and ethnicities find home or refuge in Israel, that "you" and that "us" is far from monolithic enough to assign a monolithic belief to.

        Financial/commerce boycotts against any entity other than a financial/commerce one (e.g., a corporation that abuses its employees, customers, environment, etc) is use of coercion to brute-force a change and punish an entire local of people collectively for the harm done by some.  True justice of method would be to vigorously employ finance and commerce to SUPPORT the elements of the society that are working for constructive, just, positive change.

        •  My gut sense (1+ / 0-)
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          is that the I/P conflict, indeed, is serving the interests of people not directly involved who have a stake its perpetuation.

          Just basing this on the general efficacy in demagoguery of "divide-and-conquer."

          It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

          by karmsy on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 08:37:34 AM PST

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          •  Yes, weapons industries like ours, oil, "news" & (0+ / 0-)

            all others that profit from conflict. "Divide & Conquer" - unquestionably a key manipulation by every eminence gris with something to gain.

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