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  •  The diarist hasn't said anything about (13+ / 0-)

    free speech rights, or the law or constitution. Yes, everyone acknowledges they have those rights. That's completely beside the point.

    Gondwana has always been at war with Laurasia.

    by AaronInSanDiego on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 01:26:11 PM PST

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    •  Don't be silly (0+ / 0-)

      The "(in America)" phrase right in the title is clearly there to indicate this is an un-American (a.k.a. not respectful of free speech) decision.

      •  I'm assuming you read more than the title. (5+ / 0-)

        I think your interpretation is a stretch, but David can correct me if I'm wrong and he was referring to free speech rights.

        Gondwana has always been at war with Laurasia.

        by AaronInSanDiego on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 01:45:42 PM PST

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        •  I said he's "acting like" his free speech (0+ / 0-)

          rights were violated. David will deny he was "referring" to his free speech rights, and I never said he was "referring" to them. I said he was acting that way, and it's clear from the tone of yes, the entire diary, plus the "in America" title.

          Any reading of the diary indicates that the tone is one of "my voice is being suppressed." Ridiculous.

          •  To put it simply, you're incorrect on all fronts, (17+ / 0-)

            though I certainly can understand why you may have interpreted things as such.

            To clarify, the "America" in the title is to highlight that such dialogue is being squelched in the U.S., as opposed to Israel, where such dialogue is much more free and open.

            As for free speech, that is not at issue here. What is at issue is this phenomenon in the U.S. Jewish community today of dialogue on Israel being a contentious issue, and how that contention prevents us from taking on, and solving, our most difficult issues.

            "If the Jew who struggles for justice for Palestine is considered anti-Semitic, & if Palestinians seeking self-determination are so accused...then no oppositional move can take place w/o risking the accusation." - Judith Butler

            by David Harris Gershon on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 02:03:51 PM PST

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          •  I didn't get that impression. (6+ / 0-)

            The issue isn't that his voice is being suppressed. Clearly, he has venues where he can express his views, such as here, and he can speak at other forums, which he made clear.

            Part of the issue, as I see it, is that American Jewish organizations are not reflecting the diversity of views of actual American Jews. Even though I disagree with many of David's views on Israel and Palestine, I think the limitations on discussion, within organizations that are supposed to be diverse and not limited to a particular point of view, are a problem for the American Jewish community, and for the dialogue about Israel and Palestine generally. Of course, some limitations make sense. I wouldn't want to allow an advocate of antisemitism, or any other bigotry, to be given a platform at a Hillel group. But I don't think that applies in this case.

            Gondwana has always been at war with Laurasia.

            by AaronInSanDiego on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 02:53:35 PM PST

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          •  It's more of a lament, I think (8+ / 0-)

            Sure Hillel SB can invite him and un-invite him. It's their property. (Or they have control of the space, whatever).  And Hillel doesn't even seem to be saying he's wrong or right.

            It's just too bad; all Americans ought to discuss this rationally. This Hillel could provide an excellent and constructive venue for such a discussion, but they've chosen not to.  Like a four year old ("I'm not listening"...)

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