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  •  I knew I'd seen it somewhere! (2+ / 0-)
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    awesumtenor, mettle fatigue

    Looking more closely at Exodus 2, I guess, strictly speaking, it still doesn't pass the Bechdel test -- Miriam and her mother don't speak to one another, only interact (which must have involved some speech, we just don't see it!) This is really a grey area, though. I think I'd give Exodus honorary Bechdel status.

    "We are stardust, we are golden, and we've got to get ourselves back to the garden." (Joni Mitchell)

    by Eowyn9 on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 06:48:36 PM PST

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    •  The irony of Moses (6+ / 0-)

      is until he escapes Egypt and trades the palace for the pasture he is surrounded by strong women and men who are less so. We know his father's name from that text in Exodus 6 but that is the extent of his presence in the story... we all know how his brother Fredo... I mean Aaron was wishy washy on his best days... but Moses entire life... from being saved by the midwife and hidden to being planted by his sister in the bulrushes to be found by Pharoah's daughter who then gets pharoah's daughter to hire his own mother to nurse him to his wife Zipporah who circumcises their sons to preserve their lives because Moses did not keep the covenant of Abraham and circumcise them... Moses is hailed as the greatest of the Hebrew prophets... and if it were not for all of those strong women standing in the gap on his behalf he probably never makes it out of infancy...

      Fear doesn't just breed incomprehension. It also breeds a spiteful, resentful hate of anyone and everyone who is in any way different from you.

      by awesumtenor on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 10:48:44 PM PST

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      •  "if it were not for all of those strong women..." (4+ / 0-)

        most babies wouldn't have made it out of infancy since time immemorial 'thru to today.  which kind of underlines that, even aside from maternity, women are by definition a lot "stronger" in ways that women don't get recognition for in societies that are lensed to only recognize strength, perseverence, courage, heroism, intelligence, creativity, and constructiveness in competitive and dominating terms.

        as a certain understanding of the golden rule is 'he who has the gold makes the rules', and the idea that 'might makes right', the generally greater muscle mass in males has throughout most of world history created and sustained a notion that men are better than women, a man is worth more than a woman.  by those principles, "all those strong women" were only doing their proper job sustaining moses, and "look how many women it took to sustain just one man; therefore women don't amount to much.

        except for keeping civilization, society, and the village viable and growing while & after men war their own gender into near extinction (victimizing innumerable masses of women in the process).  it's pretty rare for anyone in possession of prerogatives and privilieges to relinquish them, far less acknowledge the equal or superior worth of persons who haven't those perqs.

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