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  •  Are you talking about the traffic counting? (4+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, Sylv, viral, daeros

    All I see is that the PA placed cameras to gather data about the amount of traffic at "Center and Lemoine". The police in Ft. Lee knew about that well before the 9/9 closures started because they were requesting copies of the info gathered from the cameras. But I don't see how the passive collection of traffic data has anything to do with the lane closures ordered starting 9/9.

    Am I missing something?

    You see things; and you say “Why?” But I dream things that never were; and I say “Why not?” --George Bernard Shaw, JFK, RFK

    by CenPhx on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 02:48:56 PM PST

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    •  I don't think you are missing anything. (4+ / 0-)
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      It seems to me that the passive data collection exercise was hijacked to provide cover for the Wildenstein "test".

      I do a fair amount of forensic investigation work and am just glancing through Exhibit E for kicks. I haven't yet looked at who is included on which email chain to confirm the threads specifically tying the two.

      Am presently completely intrigued by concerns that the tapes might be discoverable in a FOI exercise. I see red flags whenever bringing Media Relations into something so apparently mundane is mentioned. From the tone, I assume that the role of Media Relations in this context would have been related to crisis comms. Am also curious about why they were so loathe to turn the tapes over to Fort Lee PD.

      •  Ok, thanks. (3+ / 0-)
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        ExpatGirl, Sylv, daeros

        CNN has been reporting that there was a study as well, so between that and the comments here I thought I might have missed something that you all were seeing.

        I guess we are going to have to be careful with our terms, since the Port Authority was counting the flow of traffic somewhere beyond the lanes in question. But that counting looks to have been only passive and did not affect traffic in any way.

        As far as I can tell, the first that any mention is made that the lanes near Ft. Lee would be closed is that August 28 email from Jose Rivera, the Chief Traffic Engineer, which was sent to Durando and then to Wildstein. That email read like it was in response to a request from Wildstein, which I think is backed up by the fact that when asked for specifics about how long the closures would last, Durando did not know and had to check with Wildstein.

        So when people say a study was going on, I take that to mean that a legitimate PA traffic study was occurring, but what happened here was that Wildstein sent the engineers and officers out to collect data after he ordered the closures to give it an air of science.

        You see things; and you say “Why?” But I dream things that never were; and I say “Why not?” --George Bernard Shaw, JFK, RFK

        by CenPhx on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 03:16:15 PM PST

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      •  "TL24 Test" &"Center and Lemoine" 2 diff things? (5+ / 0-)
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        It seems to me that the passive data collection exercise was hijacked to provide cover for the Wildenstein "test".
        Not only hi-jacked ... it appears that Wildstein's "TL24 test" screwed it up ...

        On the bottom of page 101/top of 102

        "HOWEVER due to the "TL24 test", all data collection will have to be retaken"
        and
        "however will be delayed to ongoing "TL24 test"

        •  Yep. That's my read as well (2+ / 0-)
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          now that I have read the Wildenstein powerpoint of his absurd exercise. Def two different things.

        •  rehabbing the Center Avenue Deck (3+ / 0-)
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          Ok, I figured out what the traffic counts and the subsequent actions scheduled for November were about. There was a preoject to rehab the Lemoine and Center Avenue Deck. So there was an actual road improvement going on. One of the required steps was to get traffic counts there. (Exhibit E at p. 133)

          That is what the Ft. Lee police had been notified about and what they were requesting the video of.

          As far as I can tell, "TL 24 Test" had nothing at all to do with that project or its related jobs.

          You see things; and you say “Why?” But I dream things that never were; and I say “Why not?” --George Bernard Shaw, JFK, RFK

          by CenPhx on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 04:27:36 PM PST

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      •  Regarding the Ft Lee police request (2+ / 0-)
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        Have you seen this yet? At Exhibit E, page 129, Robert Durando emailed:

         I don't know why Ft Lee wants the video. I'd be interested to know who contacted Tom Hlarriot with the request. Thankfully, this request came to us before our "TL 24 Test".
        Looks like the GM at the Port Authority was glad he did not have to discloseto Ft Lee any of the regarding the lane closures. Maybe because he understood it was b.s.

        You see things; and you say “Why?” But I dream things that never were; and I say “Why not?” --George Bernard Shaw, JFK, RFK

        by CenPhx on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 04:14:14 PM PST

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    •  Exhibit E page 120? (1+ / 0-)
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      daeros

      It shows aerial views of the GWB and in a white box it says

      Since the traffic flows are extremely congested during the morning peak periods, Fort Lee traffic should be segregated from the other approaches, by the use of traffic cones, regardless of the number of toll lanes it is feeding, to reduce the risk of sideswipe crashes.
      Seems like a lame reason for a traffic study, but that appears to be reason they gave for doing the study.

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