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  •  I've seen that. (1+ / 0-)
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    However, from what I've read so far, the polling on it isn't all that positive - but it's close enough that there is a chance.

    Which really blows.

    •  The Democratic mayor of San Jose (1+ / 0-)
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      Darth Stateworker

      is the moving force behind it.

      •  With guys like that (1+ / 0-)
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        peregrine kate

        all one must do is follow the money, and usually, you'll figure out who's really pushing the idea.

        Of course, Citizens United made following the money much more difficult.  Cuomo got a lot of dark money support from a corporate front group over the last few years.  They disbanded last year after a measure was put into law that would have forced them to disclose more info.  Go figure.  But when he was originally elected, he got more money from the Koch brothers than even Scooter Walker did - and our union was dumb enough to endorse him anyway.

      •  With assistance from out-of-state money . . . (2+ / 0-)
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        Darth Stateworker, Richard Lyon


        A number of other California elected officials have called upon him to withdraw the proposed measure.  He still has to raise enough money to gather the signatures, and he admits he doesn't have it now, but I'm pretty sure it will be forthcoming from right-wing sources.  Their funds seem inexhaustible.

        "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

        by FogCityJohn on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 11:23:03 PM PST

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        •  Almost all (2+ / 0-)
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          anti-pension nonsense comes from big money right wing sources.

          Very little of it is grassroots activity because people are legitimately pissed off public sector workers still have pensions.

          Some out-of-state group showed up in Albany last year (I forget their name offhand) and held a news conference advocating New York abolish its plans completely.  Apparently, they figured out we're a pretty solidly blue state whos voters let out a collective yawn over their nonsense, because we never heard or saw them again.  And of course, it turns out their organization was funded by Koch money.  Knowing the Koch M.O., I suspect sooner or later they'll come back to try to "evangelize" over pensions again.  They and their minions are persistent, which is how they've been successful in helping the right wing move the nations politics rightward.

          We still have in-state agitators - mainly the Manhattan Institute/Empire Center (an SPN affiliate also funded with Koch money), and they make a lot of noise, but no one really listens to them since we just passed two new, less generous pension tiers within slightly more than 2 years time.  Polling even on the new tiers wasn't an overwhelming landslide of public opinion towards passing them (if I recall correctly, in both cases, there were slightly more against) - one was done by Governor Paterson during the height of the recession, and the other by Cuomo so he could boost his "I'm a tough on unions centrist that can work across the aisle" 3rd Way chops for his national aspirations.

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