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  •  I read the original on Red State (5+ / 0-)

    and consider it to be the usual straight white male libertarian nonsense.
    (Of course there's no sense in attempting to reply on RedState as they maintain a strict echo-chamber)

    The premise was that liberals are as, or more, pro-authoritarianism than conservatives.

    Any examples of conservative authoritarianism ( their anti-gay laws, anti abortion laws etc..) are dismissed as not really "important" - especially if you are a straight white male.

    Examples of liberal "authoritarianism" are requirements for medical coverage to include contraception. It seems, in these people's minds, that this is the same as stormtroopers forcing nunnerys to swallow birth control pills against their wills.

    I'm willing to admit that Dems are also prone to occasional bouts of authoritarianism (I'm talking to you, Big Gulp Bloomberg), which I deplore, but there is no comparison between their excesses and the ban-Plan-Parenthood, drug-test-food stamp, amend-the-constitution-to-protect-us-from-gays authoritarianism of the Republican party.

    It is a false equivalence constantly repeated by those of libertarian ilk whose only interest is their income tax rate.

    If altar boys could get pregnant, contraception would be a sacrament.

    by tiponeill on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 02:00:35 PM PST

    •  Thank You for your comment (0+ / 0-)

      One of the things I have problems with is the idea that these people are "...of libertarian ilk whose only interest is their income tax rate."

      I readily admit voting for Democrats is contrary to my personal financial well-being.  I like what I do and make enough money for me and mine.  I don't mind sharing.

      I get the impression that personal gain isn't the motivation for the average Tea Partier.   It is more likely a dislike thinking about others getting handouts while they work hard doing something they hate.

      They convince themselves taxation is theft of personal property (ala Ann Ryan).  That is how they rationalize believing government is inherently oppressive.

      However, if the government is using taxes for oppressing things they don't like... well... that's something that can be overlooked.

       

      "If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them." - Asimov

      by dfcord on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 02:40:57 PM PST

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      •  You;re completely wrong about voting Democrat (6+ / 0-)

        being contrary to your personal financial well being.

        It's liberal policies that made the great middle class. It's liberal Democratic policies that have created sustainable wealth for all levels of the society, except for the very few at the top of the financial food chain.
        Emphasis on sustainable.

        Regardless of what your line of work is, you don't exist in a vacuum. If there's a  robust middle class, that's what really "raises all boats".
        It's Democrats who have been better stewards of the public funds, and who have managed the debt and deficit better.

        Those are facts. Anything to the contrary is falsehood.
        Regardless of all their talk about "taxes" and the other stuff, the "tea party" is comprised mainly of the religious right, who rebranded after the Bush debacle and jumped on the "tea party" bandwagon. Of course, it's bankrolled and puppetmastered by the Kochs and other libertarian billionaires, but the rank and file are just the same old religious right racist Bushies.

        You can't make this stuff up.

        by David54 on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 03:40:53 PM PST

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        •  Voting Democratic (0+ / 0-)

          Thank you for your comment.

          The reason I suggest voting Republican would be better for my financial well-being is because my business is closely tied to the defense industry.  I have been in meetings where project decisions are held up waiting for election results and go/no go decisions are made based on who wins.

          Frankly, what the military budget ultimately ends up being doesn't seem to matter whether Democrats or Republicans are in charge. However, there is a perception of uncertainty with Democrats.  Like it or not, uncertainty effects finances.

          Beyond that, you are preaching to the choir.  I agree supporting Democrats tends to be overall better than voting for Republicans, even financially.

          "If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them." - Asimov

          by dfcord on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 04:24:25 PM PST

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    •  Bloomberg is a Republican. (4+ / 0-)
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      Catte Nappe, dfcord, Sandino, Major Kong

      You could look it up.

    •  You forgot to add (1+ / 0-)
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      The lock-em-up for drug possession (but only "those" people) authoritarianism of the Republican party.

      If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

      by Major Kong on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 05:20:29 AM PST

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      •  Adding to bullet points (0+ / 0-)

        Thank you for the comment.  Let's see.  So far we have...

        1. Abortion - from Red State entry
        2. Anti-Drug laws - from Red State commenter
        3. LGBT rights - from Red State commenter
        4. Vaginal probes - from Red State commenter
        5. Big Gulp laws - from tiponiell with assist from ek Hornbeck
        6. Targeted anti-drug enforcement - from Major Kong

        I would also list Rebublican governor actions concerning State take over of cities, anti-immigration enforcement and general anti-union laws.

        and... oh yeah...

        Intentionally causing unnecessary traffic jams.

        "If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them." - Asimov

        by dfcord on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 11:05:34 AM PST

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