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  •  Sure nice to see you man. No, I agree. I was (11+ / 0-)

    going to mention a draft.  When you think about the antiwar movement during the Vietnam war, there's no doubt the draft was a big reason for the protesting.  Ya screw it, bring back the draft, but like you said, no deferments, especially for the rich.

    "Fragmented and confused, we have no plan to combat any of this, but are looking to be saved by the very architects of our ruination."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 03:48:28 PM PST

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    •  Nothing like the possibility that you, or your kid (9+ / 0-)

      might actually have to go to focus the attention on the ill wisdom of a war.

      It's way too easy to send other people's kids.

      Great to see you too, BigAl!

      War beats down, and sows with salt, the hearts and minds of soldiers." Brecht

      by DaNang65 on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 03:52:04 PM PST

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      •  been a long time since I have run into you in a (5+ / 0-)

        diary, DaNang, how are you?

        For our fallen solders who come home from Afghanistan to Dover AF mortuary, "God bless the cause of "The Good War" for which they died" - As if any war can be called Good in its 13th year, America's longest war.

        by allenjo on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 04:12:08 PM PST

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      •  I honestly believe that to be overplayed. If (1+ / 0-)
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        the Vietmnam era is any measure, most Americans are quite happy to go and to see their kids go. Too much nationalist, jingoist, imperialist bullshit on T and in the Movies and in our history books, etc.

        That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

        by enhydra lutris on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 09:07:58 PM PST

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        •  You may be correct, but I believe the eras are not (4+ / 0-)

          directly analogous. Perhaps not even fairly comparable. The Sixties presented a set of circumstances far different than the present, the so called "Greatest Generation" (pardon me while I spit) who had "won World War II" were locked in a culture war with their own children, the Baby Boomers who, in Dylan's words, were "beyond (their) command."

          We tend to overlook major differences between WWII and Viet Nam - the near universal participation, including the home front through rationing, etc. of the former; the pardon the pun "Selective" participation in Viet Nam where many kept up their C gpa or got drafted, with guns and butter at home.

          Compare the relative durations. WWII was relatively brief, even in the Pacific theater where major fighting ran barely three and half years, far less in the European theater, where the bulk of the fighting, between D-Day and VE Day, spanned barely eleven months. In Viet Nam, by comparison, three years marks roughly the time span from the initial build up of combat troops beginning in March 1965 to the Tet offensive in February 1968.

          Not coincidentally 1968 was the year the antiwar movement reached its peak and the Democratic National Convention turned into a police riot.

          War beats down, and sows with salt, the hearts and minds of soldiers." Brecht

          by DaNang65 on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 10:32:05 PM PST

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    •  and CEO's whose corporations are profiting from (8+ / 0-)

      the wars, their sons and daughters should also be among the first ones called to duty.

      For our fallen solders who come home from Afghanistan to Dover AF mortuary, "God bless the cause of "The Good War" for which they died" - As if any war can be called Good in its 13th year, America's longest war.

      by allenjo on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 04:01:29 PM PST

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    •  I mentioned it below too! (6+ / 0-)

      And I totally agree.  

      "I don't want to run the empire, I want to bring it down!" ~ Dr. Cornel West "It was a really naked declaration of imperialism." ~ Jeremy Scahill on Obama's speech to the UN

      by gulfgal98 on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 05:13:54 PM PST

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    •  Everybody I knew in the antiwar movement (2+ / 0-)
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      was against the wr first and foremost, most of them against war in general, and only secondarily against the draft as an enabler of the US war machine.

      That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

      by enhydra lutris on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 09:04:44 PM PST

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