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  •  "Erode" probably (0+ / 0-)

    but there's a chance the Afghan government remains in power if we stay with at least some presence, per Obama's plan. If we completely leave, I'd say there's zero chance the Afghan government survives.

    •  You mean the puppet (8+ / 0-)

      we installed?  Yeah, likely to fail when we leave.  Since that government isn't legitimate in the first place.

      BTW, we went in to fight Al Quaeda, not the Taliban.  That was our mission.  The Taliban lives and works out of Pakistan, so unless we are willing to carpet bomb the tribal areas, the Taliban will will return when we leave, whether that's this year or on 100 yeats.  Genocide is the only alternative.  Or you know, staying the fuck out of the ME.  

      "It rubs the lotion on its skin" is not effective coalition building.

      by Nada Lemming on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 04:33:49 PM PST

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      •  Or you know, staying the fuck out of the ME (9+ / 0-)

        stay the fuck out is the voice of sanity, Nada.

        How many decades have we been meddling in the ME?

        And what have we accomplished there?

        dead bodies, maimed bodies, all that death and destruction so that war profiteers become even more wealthy.

        For our fallen solders who come home from Afghanistan to Dover AF mortuary, "God bless the cause of "The Good War" for which they died" - As if any war can be called Good in its 13th year, America's longest war.

        by allenjo on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 04:38:18 PM PST

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        •  We have a really nice (1+ / 0-)
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          poppy crop this year.. Maybe Monsanto is providing GMO seeds?

          "It rubs the lotion on its skin" is not effective coalition building.

          by Nada Lemming on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 06:52:28 PM PST

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          •  where the giant poppies grow (0+ / 0-)

            For our fallen solders who come home from Afghanistan to Dover AF mortuary, "God bless the cause of "The Good War" for which they died" - As if any war can be called Good in its 13th year, America's longest war.

            by allenjo on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 07:18:51 PM PST

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          •  We've created the world’s first true narco-state (2+ / 0-)
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            In 1979, the year America’s first Afghan war (against the Soviets) began, that country was producing just 250 tons of opium; by the early years of the post-9/11 American occupation of the country, that figure had hit 3,400 tons.  

            Between 2006 and the present, it’s ranged from a 2007 high of 8,200 tons to a low of just under 5,000 tons.  

            Officials of Russia’s Federal Drug Control Service now claim that 40,000 tons of illicit opiates have been stockpiled in Afghanistan, mostly to be marketed abroad.

            As of 2012, it was the world’s leading supplier of opium, with 74% of the global market, a figure that was expected to hit 90% as U.S. combat troops leave (and foreign aid flees).  

            In other words, success in an endless war in that country has meant creating the world’s first true narco-state.  It’s a record to consider.  
            Not for nothing, it seems, were all those billons of dollars expended, not without accomplishments do we leave (if we are actually leaving).
            http://www.popularresistance.org/...

            For our fallen solders who come home from Afghanistan to Dover AF mortuary, "God bless the cause of "The Good War" for which they died" - As if any war can be called Good in its 13th year, America's longest war.

            by allenjo on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 07:54:52 PM PST

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    •  Yes, you are entirely correct, ... (4+ / 0-)
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      ... the manner of the erosion is up in the air. But it is clear imperial overstretch to try to maintain US influence in a landlocked nation in Southwest Asia. History records the problems facing a Viking nation such as the US when it attempts to exert extended influence beyond the reach of its longboats.

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      by BruceMcF on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 06:13:09 PM PST

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