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  •  One thing is for sure... (0+ / 0-)

    ...irrespective of how many lanes Fort Lee has onto the Bridge, too much traffic going to the Bridge goes through Fort Lee.

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 12:03:38 PM PST

    •  "Too much" traffic? (0+ / 0-)

      What do you mean?

      •  From all the reports about losing... (2+ / 0-)
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        ...those two lanes, it seems that the bulk of the traffic from New Jersey bound for Manhattan via the GW Bridge does through Fort Lee, so in throttling that flow, it gridlocked the town. From the view of this retired traffic engineer, they need a bypass around Fort Lee (if possible) to divert the bulk of the traffic inbound to Manhattan to the bridge but around Fort Lee.

        Just sayin'...

        Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

        by JeffW on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 12:27:33 PM PST

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        •  Actually having read the documents (2+ / 0-)
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          Wildstein's unauthorized "test" using the monicker "TL24" was purported to show that by handing over two Fort Lee tollbooths to the through highway travelers, that overall delays would be reduced.  The opposite happened, as they admitted in a perfunctory "report" they cooked up when the press demanded it.  Net delays were increased by thousands of vehicle hours by switching over the two lanes.  By the way, on each of the 5 days of Wildstein's unauthorized "test," no Fort Lee motorists were ever told that the normal 3-lane setup would be shut down to just one lane.  This means that by definition the results were complete un-representative and invalid as a simulation of what it would be like if the lanes were permanently re-allocated.

        •  JeffW, thought of you, when this showed up, (1+ / 0-)
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          ? yesterday ? via Talking Points Memo.

          in another comment, i suggested that, going forward, we use "PANYNJ." see ? technical talk ;)

          Addington's perpwalk? TRAILHEAD of accountability for Bush-2 Crimes. @Hugh: There is no Article II power which says the Executive can violate the Constitution.

          by greenbird on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 01:04:00 PM PST

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          •  That just reenforces my idea that... (1+ / 0-)
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            ...a bypass is needed for some of the traffic that cut through Fort Lee. But that would be a local (city,county, and/or state) transportation decision.

            I'm sure glad I'm retired. And I'm glad I didn't work for the PANYNJ! I'd hate to cross Patrick Foye.

            Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

            by JeffW on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 01:31:08 PM PST

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        •  Only three toll booths out of 24 served the (0+ / 0-)

          Fort Lee accesses. A lot of the New Jersey traffic is coming in through highways.



          Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

          by Wee Mama on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 01:51:01 PM PST

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        •  Some commuters do exit in Fort Lee (1+ / 0-)
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          to avoid the jams on I-95, gambling that the local streets will be faster. But what are you suggesting? Tearing down more homes for a fourth high-speed bridge approach, because eight freeway lanes depressed below all Fort Lee streets are not enough for six lanes on the bridge? I suspect you haven't looked at a map of Fort Lee.

          warning: snark probably above

          by NE2 on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 02:15:37 PM PST

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          •  I admit that I'm speaking from relative... (0+ / 0-)

            ...ignorance of the local street situation. I would seek to intercept the traffic that takes the Fort Lee route well in advance of the town, if possible, and seek a route that brings it to I-95, while seeing if something could be done to reduce the backups on I-95. I would be the first to admit that some or all of this may be impossible. I would also suggest that much of this traffic may have been averted by that new transit tunnel that Christie scuttled early on.

            Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

            by JeffW on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 02:29:30 PM PST

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            •  The backups on I-95 (1+ / 0-)
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              are caused by the toll plaza and the constraints of the bridge. Reducing the number of booths available to Fort Lee traffic might be a reasonable test IF the public were told in advance so they could plan accordingly. But there's only so much you can do without turning Fort Lee into a gated community.

              warning: snark probably above

              by NE2 on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 02:37:35 PM PST

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