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  •  No... you completely ignored my concerns (2+ / 0-)
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    and attempted to placate me (into thinking we are on the same side) by calling Christie a "jerk" like some 8 year old kid throwing a temper tantrum would do. Seriously? Look... All I care about is the MEME you are spreading, which is really an "anti-meme" sort of meme.

    You wrote that this particular meme, which dailykos is not promoting, and which just so happens to be hurting Christie, "...must be stopped dead in its tracks..." ~ (suggesting that this would in some way "help" incriminate Christie) ~

    hmmm...

    Those are the words you used:
    "Dead in its tracks"

    ... and those are some pretty strong words about what you want to "stop" ... and yet your words expressing your alleged desire to find out the truth are, shall we say, not nearly so strong:
    "...I firmly believe that Christie's office set up this traffic jam for nefarious purposes and I want to know what they were."

    To put it bluntly, in specific terms, these words are passive, and the other words are a command.

    FACT: If this statement of yours were true...
    "...I firmly believe that Christie's office set up this traffic jam for nefarious purposes and I want to know what they were."
    ...then you would have updated your diary to include links to the diaries THAT DISCUSSED what those very "nefarious purposes" probably are that you claim to so care about... but you did not, which means that you could care less about what Christie's real purpose was.

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    by ArthurPoet on Mon Jan 13, 2014 at 12:35:44 AM PST

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    •  Your "my way or the highway" attitude... (0+ / 0-)

      ...is very tiresome.

      Just because I write things that you do not like does not mean you have the ability to correctly read my mind.  

      I said that the idea, "if true", must be stopped dead in its tracks. That gives a different meaning than the one you attempt to put in my mouth.

      Passive words, commands...seriously? Methinks you doth parse too much.

      Me calling Christie a jerk to placate you? Believe me, sir, I am not trying to placate you. I altered my diary to address valid concerns that you raised because they were valid. I did not do so to make you, specifically, feel better.

      Facts:

      - I care what Christie's real purpose is.
      - Christie is a jerk
      - I would not be surprised if Christie is shown to be a criminal but I have to take back my statement that he 'likely' is. I do not know that for a fact.

      The Fort Lee meme may very well be hurting Christie but if hurting him is your goal, then I suggest that there are many other reasons for the traffic jam that may be true and that these will hurt him much more.

      May I ask exactly what you think my purpose is with this diary?

      •  What's tiresome is having to repeat myself (0+ / 0-)

        and then you ignore my points.

        And now you are criticizing my "...'my way or the highway' attitude..." ... ???

        Seriously?

        Dude.... any intelligent person who is genuinely interested in discussing the prevailing theories that motivated Christie's actions, would (you know) ACTUALLY DISCUSS the "prevailing theories" in their diary, they would not be telling people that we need to stop an old theory "dead in its tracks"... nor would they require people to prove an old theory.

        Why are you not discussing the prevailing theories?

        Why have you not even mentioned one of the prevailing theories?

        Why are you not providing helpful informative links on the prevailing theories?

        NEWSFLASH: You cannot "stop a meme dead in its tracks" .... that's just not how the viral internet media works. You cannot stop a meme, you can only replace it, and the replacement must address the underlying "cultural desire/need" ... and in this instance, the need is to know the truth of his motives.... and so you better provide a more compelling motive, if you want your new meme to replace the old one.

        One last thing, this attitude of your believing that you can just "bully" the internet into "stopping a meme dead in its tracks" is laughable, and really does remind me rather a lot of this Punk Christie's dealings with the media. Everyone knows that this punk is guilty as shit, so you can't just take away one motive without providing the viral world with a replacement motive... which is exactly what the Daily Kos community is doing... BY POSTING DIARIES of the prevailing theories for motive.

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        by ArthurPoet on Mon Jan 13, 2014 at 10:42:26 AM PST

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        •  Then don't repeat yourself. (0+ / 0-)

          Why did I not mention the prevailing theories? Because the prevailing theories are not what my diary is about. It is quite simple, really.

          As for me thinking the Internet can be bullied, I never suggested that. My diary probably did not make this clear but my focus was as much about what is happening in the MSM as on the Internet.

          Look, I understand that DailyKos is sometimes (often?) infiltrated by rightwingnuts  posing as Kossacks but I cannot really understand why you think I am one of them when I clearly stated in the original version of my diary that we are dealing with a criminal act.

          But I do thank you for trying to keep DailyKos clean so please do continue your diary policing. I would just suggest that you do it in a slightly less belligerent fashion.

          Good day.

          •  If you are genuine in your intent, (0+ / 0-)

            then re-read what I wrote here:

            You cannot "stop a meme dead in its tracks" .... that's just not how the viral internet media works. You cannot stop a meme, you can only replace it, and the replacement must address the underlying "cultural desire/need" ... and in this instance, the need is to know the truth of his motives.... and so you better provide a more compelling motive, if you want your new meme to replace the old one.
            ...and the only reason I wrote that was because I DID want to give you the benefit of the doubt. I was trying to explain why I had a problem with your diary.

            Listen, Seemabes, if my manner seems harsh, or my "policing effort" seems overly zealous, you might want to consider that for me, this is not just a some distant "news story" .... I have people who are very close to me who live in that area.... so I take what this fuckin' scumbag punk kid Christie has done rather personally.

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            by ArthurPoet on Tue Jan 14, 2014 at 01:21:18 AM PST

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            •  I don't post many diaries here... (0+ / 0-)

              ...and the one from yesterday was put together quickly due to time constraints. I certainly agree with you that my diary would be more effective if other theories were discussed in it and I am glad many of them have been brought up in the comments.

              I am glad we both have the same intention here, which is to get to the bottom of this criminal act, find out why and how it happened and punish those responsible, one of whom I also have very, very, very little doubt is Christie. But the evidence must be found and used to prove the case.

              I followed the links in your above diary. So you were also in Manhattan on 9/11? I was working in a building on the South Street Seaport when the first plane went in. I also witnessed many acts of kindness on that day as I made my way to a subway so I could catch one of the few trains home to New Jersey on that afternoon. As for Fort Lee, I often do my shopping at the Japanese supermarket nearby. Great community!

              •  Yes. Me too. (0+ / 0-)

                Here is a repost of my comment on another thread (to someone else, not you):

                I did 5 days of volunteer work 1/4 mile north of ground zero at what came to be known as "the field of tents" .... I ran the field of tents ... we moved more supplies to ground zero than all other arteries combined .... we were it ... on Saturday night 9/15 the former/retired Chief of FDNY Station#1 took me passed all of the checkpoints to stand 50 yards away from a 7 story high pile of rubble.... the stench of death reeked .... I felt like I was on another planet .... and the buildings around me were said to be "structurally unstable" ... and the fire truck stood dark and silent... "All members of her crew were dead." the retired FDNY Police Chief informed me ..... shall I go on ?

                Yeah, I was there.... I still have nightmares.

                And in the days that followed, every time a plane flew overhead, people stopped and looked up.... eerie... frightening.... not the just the plane, but how everyone had become instantly skittish about planes.... even when they tried to hide it ..... it was there, palpable, in the air.....

                and Christie imposed a 4 hour traffic Jam for 9/11..... for the entire freakin week? So anyone who has PTSD due to 9/11... will have flashbacks. Talk about some fucked up shit.

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                by ArthurPoet on Tue Jan 14, 2014 at 02:38:29 AM PST

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                  After laying down to go to sleep that night, I vividly remember shooting back up again trying to figure out what was more amazing: that the towers had been destroyed or that they had ever really been there in the first place.

                  I have long realized that the closer - and in your case, the longer - you were to lower Manhattan, the exponentially worse the experience of the aftermath. But of course, not nearly as horrible as for the ones that never made it out.

                  Thanks to you for your service in the aftermath.

                  •  I grew up in Queens on the 10th floor corner room (0+ / 0-)

                    (in REGO PARK) and I could see out my bedroom window the entire NYC skyline (WTC, Empire State, etc).... and I could even see something like 6 or 7 bridges from my window, because my building was the tallest for many miles all the way to LIC/NYC.

                    I want to tell you this.... seeing the look in the eyes of each person who was returning from ground zero was this "WALKING DEAD" zombie-like almost catatonic look in their eyes .... you know, it's that "thousand mile stare" that they speak about when a soldier has seen too much killing on the battle-field.

                    I will never forget. I can never forget.

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                    by ArthurPoet on Tue Jan 14, 2014 at 01:48:04 PM PST

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    •  I had the same feeling as you. (0+ / 0-)

      At first, but I glazed over this:

      The meme I outlined above, if un-true, must be stopped dead in its tracks so the real cause of this criminal act can more likely be determined.
      I don't  think he's trying to prop up Christie here.

      At any rate, I'm waiting to see which shoe drops next.
      This thing is just getting started.

      You can't make this stuff up.

      by David54 on Mon Jan 13, 2014 at 06:02:33 AM PST

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      •  He only added that comment after (0+ / 0-)

        we called him on it.... in other words, those words are merely added to placate, in my candid opinion, and if he really did care about "the real cause of this criminal act can more likely be determined" ... then he would be posting a diary discussing those "real causes" that kossack's have been discussing.

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        by ArthurPoet on Mon Jan 13, 2014 at 10:54:02 AM PST

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