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  •  I am by no means dismissing women's rights... (10+ / 0-)

    But as I said, things are relative.  The last Pope was at war with women's rights and this Pope has tried to temper those reactions and guide the church (albiet slowly) away from them.  How do you think the Pope could more effectively have done this?  Come out as pro-abortion against what 1 billion catholic faithful have been taught to be vehemently against for their entire lives?  Convincing members of his church to back away from abortion and contraception as one of its priorities will be difficult enough.

    The Pope has taken on the challenge of fighting for the poor and against mammon which is a mighty big fight.  He has done so while trying to ease the church away from its antigay stance, its anti woman stance and even away from its anti-any-other-religion-but-mine stance (including athiests).  That is a huge undertaking that is not going to happen over night.  I think we can applaud his efforts to move the church in the right direction without the accusation of dismissing women's rights.

    The fight for women's rights continues and is not hampered in any way by this Pope.  In fact, by emphasizing that denying women's health care should not be one of the focal points of the church, it actually lessons one of the formerly formidable opponents to the cause.

    "Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not YET sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favour..."

    by Buckeye Nut Schell on Tue Jan 14, 2014 at 12:54:18 PM PST

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    •  So what has Francis DONE (2+ / 0-)
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      to stop the US bishops from denying women the right to choose birth control, either through their insurance or through the catholic owned hospitals?    

      The Pope isn't hampering the women's rights movement?  Where do you live?

      •  Did they deny women's right to choose before... (2+ / 0-)
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        Pope Francis?  Has he made it worse in any way than it already was?  He is not hampering anything it is just that he has not been able to stop anything either.  I believe he is picking his battles and the plight of the poor is first on his list.  The fact that he has made the point that the church should NOT be focusing so much of its efforts on birth control and abortion is, in my mind, a step in the right direction (even though I hope that the steps get longer and more frequent).  Give me one example where this Pope has made any new policy worse than what was already there OR made any existing policy worse in any way.  

        Face it, the Catholic Church was pretty screwed up with their priorities from women's health issues to gay rights to child molestation to its treatment of the poor to its mafia ties and more.  A Pope cannot just walk in on day one ane turn the Titantic back into a luxury steamliner.  It takes time and effort and picking the battles you can win, one at a time.  I am amazed at how aggressive he is being and you are criticizing him for not fixing everything already.  

        I am not asking you to be patient with him.  By all means, keep fighting and I hope you win.  I just want you to realize that one of the fiercest opponents to women's health issues, the Catholic Church, has a leader now who has stated that it should no longer be the primary focus of the church to oppose women's health issues.  I hope that he will do more soon but for now, at least that is something which is more than the last three Popes have done combined.

        "Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not YET sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favour..."

        by Buckeye Nut Schell on Tue Jan 14, 2014 at 06:49:58 PM PST

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        •  This institution has had 2000 years to turn (0+ / 0-)

          the ship.  I think that is plenty of time. The world has been patient through centuries of murder and mayhem, theft and corruption from this church. I think it's time to be very very very impatient!

           You are operating on an unevidenced idea that Francis is different from past popes. Of course, he may be the first to have hired a PR team to help with the "pull the wool over the eyes" campaign.  From what I can see on diaries and comment threads like this, it's unfortunately working very well.  Now if he just creates committees to study the problems of women's rights and gay rights, like he did on the child abuse issue, he'll have all the bases covered.  

          He can then spend his time lecturing the world on the plights of the poor, despite his institution's huge hand in creating poverty, and lecture the world on materialism from his golden palaces.  

          Most people would never be patient with a political ruler whose government behaved in the way that the RCC does, nor would they tolerate a leader who continues to make speeches based on sheer hypocrisy of speech v. action.   Religion always gets a pass. Until we change that, we will continue to be tied to a very long and heavy chain of bondage.

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