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  •  You can take the words Pope & Francis out ... (4+ / 0-)

    of the above article if you'd like and the argument is just as valid.

    It's not a pro-Pope, pro-Catholic article.

    It is about fighting against economic inequality. It just so happened the Pope makes an excellent case.

    If you aren't interested, perhaps there are other areas where you could spend your time more positively.

    •  It doesn't "just so happen" that this Pope (0+ / 0-)

      is creating the writings and making the public statements he is making.  In my view it's all a carefully crafted PR blanket being used to deflect the public's attention from the abuse of children (still occuring), the actual treatment of women and gays, and the corruptions of the Vatican bank and economic system of the RCC.

      If Francis wants to address economic inequality, he will come out with a declaration saying that all women have a right to control their own fertility.  With out that, he and the RCC continues to be a huge player in the CREATION of poverty and economic inequality.  Why is that so hard to understand?

      I don't make suggestions as to how YOU should be spending your time on Kos, and I would appreciate the same courtesy.

      •  If you wrote about your beliefs, I simply think (2+ / 0-)
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        you'd have a better chance convincing people instead of through your trolling efforts.

        But I guess you'd have to come up with another name.

        Oh well, since you're self-admitting that you're an anti-religious troll, any further response is pretty much a waste of both of our time.

        Especially since I'm not arguing for religion in any way, shape, or form.

        I'd rather spend my time fighting for a better economy. Best of luck though in your trolling!

        •  You are recommending the views of a person (1+ / 0-)
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          who heads a religious institution and you are saying that even if he didn't represent this institution, his views would be great to pay attention to.  But he does head this institution, so your supposition is false and useless.

          There are treatises and papers written all over the world every day by thousands of economic experts etc. and yet you choose this man's views to recommend. Why?  Possibly you feel this man has more expertise than any of the others, or you feel this man's views have some sort of higher moral status than others?  Your premise is suspicious and since you chose to point to pope Francis, then that is who should be scrutinized for his views and actions. Not just one of his views, but all of them. And not as a fanticized 'regular person', but as he is- the titular head of the world power of the RCC.

          You did a nice job of diminishing or trying to disconnect the core issue of women and poverty not just raised by me, but by other commentors, but in my view, it didn't work.  

          I have found that those who sling the arrow of "troll" are usually doing so because they either can't or won't address the concerns raised by commentors.  It's a weak dodge at best and certainly does nothing to discourage people who have legitimate observations to the ideas presented in diaries.

          •  Right.. the Pope as Rock Star, the Pope as (0+ / 0-)

            champion of the poor, the victims of the obvious excesses of the one percent is one more pipe dream.

            this baloney precludes the one percent actually operate using any sort of moral compass and sort of ethical compass...

            Hah Hha hahhh hah hhhah hahhh!!

            that's a good one.

            "It is essential that there should be organization of Labor. Capital organizes & therefore Labor must organize" Theodore Roosevelt

            by Superpole on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 04:04:27 PM PST

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            •  The Pope and the Vatican pow-wows (1+ / 0-)
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              with the 1% all the time and doesn't hesitate to take their money (note recent story over big donor and fixing up St. Patrick's cathedral).  I can bet you that Dolan went running to this donor to smooth things over under the radar.

              I think there is a Francis cult popping up, and some of the diaries on Kos are encouraging it.

              •  the "Church" Is DOA in Ireland (0+ / 0-)

                and Poland... finished.

                would be here, too, if not for the gazillions of Hispanics...

                "It is essential that there should be organization of Labor. Capital organizes & therefore Labor must organize" Theodore Roosevelt

                by Superpole on Thu Jan 16, 2014 at 05:03:34 PM PST

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                •  Well if people continue to laud (0+ / 0-)

                  this new Pope without any hard evidence of "change", and the media continues to celebrate him without doing any background 'what's really going on' reporting, this massive Vatican PR campaign may change your optimism on the RCC's decline.

                  People want to believe this stuff so desparately they are willing to suspend all rational inquiry and badly needed skepticism/

                  •  You're Kidding, Right? (0+ / 0-)

                    mainstream propaganda doesn't mean shit to me.

                    it's irrelevant what I THINK of the church, compared to entire nations like Ireland. there it's OVER. they are finished with the church's rigid, uselessly dogmatic, anti gay, anti women's rights bullshit.

                    "It is essential that there should be organization of Labor. Capital organizes & therefore Labor must organize" Theodore Roosevelt

                    by Superpole on Fri Jan 17, 2014 at 05:57:56 PM PST

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