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  •  "President Obama's diplomatic campaign to persuade (3+ / 0-)

    "President Obama's diplomatic campaign to persuade Iran to stop developing a nuclear bomb." Dare one point out the really sad misrepresentation in that bit of text? NO ONE, other than certain loonies and people that reject a whole host of conclusions by folks who have actually examined the Iranian nuclear industry, has ever concluded that Iran is in any way "developing a nuclear bomb." That is a particularly pernicious fraud to perpetuate by even mentioning it.

    Proving the negative is difficult, of course, but the UN agencies and our own and the intelligence entities of most of the rest of the world, even including Israel, have said that's not in the offing.

    And of course one dare not mention that Israel, headed by the Likudniks, has well over 200 nuclear weapons, and strategies to detonate them and the means to deliver them, including cruise missiles fired from submarines that Israel, the Jewish state, bought from those famous U-boat makers, the Germans.

    I think if President Obama has a diplomatic campaign under way, it's much more about keeping the conscienceless idiots that are carrying the water for more stupid warwarwar in the Mideast, people who are immune to the consequences that would follow.

    I offer these sentiments as just a little Vietnam vet who is once again having nightmares, thanks to this latest horror show, thanks to the inroads AIPAC and others including some commercial interests have made into our institutions of government and policy. Yeah, you dudes and dude-ettes get "creds" with a few of your constituents and people who can influence or scare them, and campaign money from certain influence buyers, but you are doing the same crap that various governments in Europe did in the runup to World War I. See, e.g., "The Proud Tower," "The Guns of August," and a lot of recent scholarship by people trying to figure out the real roots of that incredible spasm of violence and its sequelae, e.g.

    "Is that all there is?" Peggy Lee.

    by jm214 on Tue Jan 14, 2014 at 09:34:03 AM PST

    •  Thanks for this (1+ / 0-)
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      Do you have some sources I can update this diary with?

      •  A few... (1+ / 0-)
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        Karen from Maui

        Search "does Iran have a nuclear weapons program" for lots more, including the fear-mongering bullshit from a lot of different sources. It's a matter of faith for so many, like "evolution" and "which way the toilet paper roll goes on the holder."

        Whether it's looked at from capability or from intent, there's simply no credible evidence that Iran intends to build, or has the capability of putting together and delivering, a nuclear weapon. Not even clear that they want the "latency" that nations like Japan have, able to quickly ramp up a Bomb though with none, as far as we ordinary people know, in their growing arsenal. They ain't perfect, they have their idiot hard-liners just like us and the Israelis and most everyone else, and sneaks and spies and covert actors too. But it sure looks like they have maybe a healthier approach to the Great Game than most of the rest of us, with our willing belief that Others are committed to Destroying our Sacred Way of Life that we are so busily destroying ourselves, from "rule of Law" and the Constitution to a viable economy for most of us to a survivable environment for the whole human population.

        "Is that all there is?" Peggy Lee.

        by jm214 on Tue Jan 14, 2014 at 12:39:44 PM PST

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        •  Thank you!!!! (1+ / 0-)
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          I can't believe that I swallowed the pro-war misinformation....especially after the Iraq "weapons of mass destruction" BS.

          •  Good people are easy to sucker. They have trouble (1+ / 0-)
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            believing that the other kind can be as devious and evil as they too often are. And ignorant people are really easy to sucker when it comes to believing the worst about "The Other." Most of us are ignorant and kept that way by a whole lot of dys- (not dis-, worse than that)information. Bless you for working the good side of the street...

            "Is that all there is?" Peggy Lee.

            by jm214 on Tue Jan 14, 2014 at 05:13:42 PM PST

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    •  Here's a source (1+ / 0-)
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      saying that U.S. intelligence thinks that Iran is NOT developing nuclear weapons.

      •  Actually, the article didn't say that at all. (0+ / 0-)

        It said that Iran is doing research that would lead to a weapon. At the time of the article (2 years ago) they hadn't yet decided to BUILD a weapon.
        However according to David Albright:
        "Albright's group estimates that with the centrifuges Iran already has, it could enrich uranium to sufficient purity to make a bomb in as little as six months, should it decide to do so.

        It is not known precisely what other technical hurdles Iran would have to overcome, but Albright and many other experts believe that if it decides to proceed, the country has the scientific knowledge to design and build a crude working bomb in as little as a year. It would take as long as three years, Albright estimated, for Iran to build a warhead small enough to fit on a ballistic missile."
        So Iran clearly has left the option open to build a bomb.

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