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  •  Um, where did the diarist say anything about (7+ / 0-)

    the "good old days" or the NRA?

    So, you've created a strawman to attack and have done so very well, congrats.

    The discussion was about hunting to put food on the table and how said keeps big game populations under control so they don't overrun their own habitat like deer are doing.  

    The diarist did mention tolerance.

    Is this your definition of said?

    The NRA today is a group of lunatics.  Heavily armed paranoid lunatics. And alas, so also are way too many gun owners.
    So, let me get this straight.  If you're a gun owner today you are more likely than not, a paranoid lunatic.

    Is this honest discussion?

    -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

    by gerrilea on Mon Jan 13, 2014 at 07:05:03 PM PST

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    •  thanks for missing my point and (1+ / 0-)
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      picking a fight instead.

      (sigh)

      In the end, reality always wins.

      by Lenny Flank on Mon Jan 13, 2014 at 07:10:58 PM PST

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      •  Apologies, please explain your point more clearly (9+ / 0-)

        and could you do so without the broad strokes that demonize the majority of gun owners?

        I'd love for us to have an honest discussion on this topic, we've been slinging shit at each other for over a year and have gotten no closer to reducing violence, including gun violence in this society.

        I had no intentions of "picking a fight" with you, just pointing out how your phrasing is not helping any of us.

        Yes, the NRA was once a good organization that set the standards for gun safety throughout this nation.  Today, they are what they are.

        You then falsely equated most gun owners to "NRA lunatics".

        If I've missed something, please correct my misunderstandings.

        -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

        by gerrilea on Mon Jan 13, 2014 at 07:48:10 PM PST

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        •  you can begin by reading what's there, instead of (1+ / 0-)
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          what you want to see there:

          You then falsely equated most gun owners to "NRA lunatics".
          I said no such thing.  But of course you saw what you wanted to see, not what was actually there.

          I am, remember, a gun owner.

          In the end, reality always wins.

          by Lenny Flank on Mon Jan 13, 2014 at 07:54:43 PM PST

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          •  um, okay.... (6+ / 0-)
            The NRA today is a group of lunatics.  Heavily armed paranoid lunatics. And alas, so also are way too many gun owners.

            -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

            by gerrilea on Mon Jan 13, 2014 at 08:05:34 PM PST

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            •  um, okay . . . (0+ / 0-)
              The NRA today is a group of lunatics.  Heavily armed paranoid lunatics. And alas, so also are way too many gun owners.
              You then falsely equated most gun owners to "NRA lunatics".
              Your reading teacher should be sued for malpractice. Unless of course you are still just seeing what you want to see, instead of what's actually there.

              So is someone gonna HR me for this, now . . . .? (sigh)

              This is why all the happy talk about "honest discussion" is generally just bullshit. "Honest discussion" means simply "agree with me".

              In the end, reality always wins.

              by Lenny Flank on Mon Jan 13, 2014 at 08:16:17 PM PST

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              •  ROFL, "my reading teacher", dammit... (4+ / 0-)

                You owe me a new laptop!

                :)

                "way too many" versus "most gun owners"...sorry, I got lost in all the labeling and derogatory framing you employed:

                Killing deer is no longer their business--killing "bad guys" is. What they sell now, in effect, is "paranoia",
                even before the NRA was captured by lunatic rightwingnuts who have seen "Red Dawn" too many times.
                I find the whole paranoid "self-defense" delusion to be laughably silly
                The wingnuts are using "fear" to sell guns,
                Indeed, in their addled minds, the very PURPOSE of the 2nd Amendment is so we can overthrow the elected government with our firearms.
                Seriously, did you need to go to this length to get your point across?

                Surprisingly, there are a couple of things you did say, that I actually agreed with:

                particularly in a time when the crime rate has been steadily dropping for decades.
                If crime rates are going down, why the damn push for gun control again???

                And this:

                just as they use fear to sell the "war on terror" and the "war on drugs" and every other "war on society" that they wage
                The only qualification I'd make to your statement, it isn't the RW nutjobs doing this, it's our entire fracking government pushing fear to strip our rights away.

                The rest, let's move on and get something done, together...let's end the racist war on drugs, release all non-violent (and stable) prisoners, let's rebuild our roads, bridges, schools...let's rebuild our society, let's rebuild the American Dream.

                We've wasted enough time bickering with one another.

                -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

                by gerrilea on Mon Jan 13, 2014 at 08:31:11 PM PST

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                •  all of these statements: (1+ / 0-)
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                  Killing deer is no longer their business--killing "bad guys" is. What they sell now, in effect, is "paranoia",

                  even before the NRA was captured by lunatic rightwingnuts who have seen "Red Dawn" too many times.

                  I find the whole paranoid "self-defense" delusion to be laughably silly

                  The wingnuts are using "fear" to sell guns,

                  Indeed, in their addled minds, the very PURPOSE of the 2nd Amendment is so we can overthrow the elected government with our firearms.

                  are true.  The NRA and the rightwingnnuts do all of them.  Do you disagree?

                  Or are you once again seeing what you want to see, instead of what is actually there.

                  In the end, reality always wins.

                  by Lenny Flank on Mon Jan 13, 2014 at 08:34:09 PM PST

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                •  ps--it is not a matter of "if": (1+ / 0-)
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                  If crime rates are going down
                  They are.  Period. That is not a matter of opinion.
                  We've wasted enough time bickering with one another.
                  Apparently we haven't.  (shrug)

                  In the end, reality always wins.

                  by Lenny Flank on Mon Jan 13, 2014 at 08:39:06 PM PST

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      •  Picking a fight... (6+ / 0-)

        says the guy calling others crazy people...

        "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

        by happy camper on Tue Jan 14, 2014 at 05:52:20 AM PST

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    •  You have defended my position better than I could. (4+ / 0-)
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      Thank you.

      "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win". Mohandas K. Ghandi

      by Randolph the red nosed reindeer on Mon Jan 13, 2014 at 07:11:18 PM PST

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