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  •  Woody Allen's body of work (17+ / 0-)

    will live on and on. Like all great comedians, millions find him funny and millions find him unfunny. You aren't aware that there is broad opinion on EVERY artist?

    •  I'm aware of contextual definitions of Funny (3+ / 0-)
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      what I'm asking is

      WHAT THE FUCK?!?!

      Woody Allen? What are the boomers THINKING?

      I dont' get it.

      •  He got to us young. (2+ / 0-)
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        He was ahead of his time, I thought. But I'm not sure I'd find him the same if I had just now seen his stuff for the first time. He's been around a long time.

        What is so unnerving about the candidacy of Sarah Palin is the degree to which she represents—and her supporters celebrate—the joyful marriage of confidence and ignorance. SAM HARRIS

        by Cpqemp on Mon Jan 13, 2014 at 09:34:21 PM PST

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      •  I know you don't want to hear it (2+ / 0-)
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        But you should watch more of his films. Perhaps after checking your attitude outside.

      •  Allen is a genuine special case of white privilege (0+ / 0-)

        I wonder to what extent people's perceptions of the acceptability of his daughter-wife relationship are subconsciously infuenced by Soon-Yi being a person of color and in particular of East Asian extraction, with all the attendant stereotypes.

        The Dutch kids' chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen wishes all the world's children freedom from hunger, ignorance, and war. ♥ ♥ ♥ Forget Neo — The One is Minori Urakawa

        by lotlizard on Tue Jan 14, 2014 at 02:40:45 AM PST

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    •  You have to like self-deprecating humor. Allen's (5+ / 0-)
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      comedy is brutal, but only to his on-screen persona.  The guy just cracks me up.

      Ted Cruz president? Pardon my Vietnamese, but Ngo Pho King Way.

      by ZedMont on Mon Jan 13, 2014 at 09:20:16 PM PST

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      •  in real life, he's an arrogant prick. (1+ / 0-)
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        used to see him on the street in ny - he swaggered about like some bantam cock rooster in the henyard.

        now, knowing his proclivity toward naive children, i understand better his projected image.

        EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

        by edrie on Tue Jan 14, 2014 at 12:27:47 AM PST

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        •  asdf (2+ / 0-)
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          Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

          •  it is true, it is necessary because i will NEVER (2+ / 0-)
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            give child molesters a pass because they make movies.

            is that clear enough for you?

            people keep posting that he does autobiography as a neurotic, insecure bladabladabladaaaaa.... and nothing could be further from the truth.

            that is an ACT, people - he could have worked for ringling brothers - he is that good at snookering people.

            in real life, he is an arrogant prick.  

            i'm a new yorker, remember?  in theatre, remember?  worked there, ran into him.  

            so you want me to color the truth to lie?


            sorry.  i do not lie.  especially to give a child molester a free pass.

            EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

            by edrie on Tue Jan 14, 2014 at 12:55:25 AM PST

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          •  With edrie on this one. True and necessary. (2+ / 0-)
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            And kind to children — little girls who probably ought not to be put in the position of being only eleven years old upon first meeting their prospective husband-to-be in the guise of their mom's boyfriend.

            The Dutch kids' chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen wishes all the world's children freedom from hunger, ignorance, and war. ♥ ♥ ♥ Forget Neo — The One is Minori Urakawa

            by lotlizard on Tue Jan 14, 2014 at 02:46:11 AM PST

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            •  Having been falsely accused myself, (4+ / 0-)
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              of harassment -- I am leery of making definitive judgements. I know how easy it is to say something horrible and salacious and there is a certain segment eager to believe any such indictment no matter how little evidence (or clear evidence against). People throw the words "child molester" out there and that is something we just don't know. What we DO know is that at the very least he carried on an affair with his girlfriend(not wife)'s adopted ADULT daughter (she was 20 at the time). Tacky, certainly -- disgusting, hard to argue with. But not illegal, not incest and not pedophilia. He never adopted or raised her, never lived with Farrow, and consequently with her daughter.

              And yes, Dylan "accused" him but the video that contains that accusation also contains Farrow coaching the child. Unwise at best, devious at worst...especially as you consider that Farrow was (and is) unhinged. What kind of mother declares publicly that she's not sure who her kid's father is? Why would she put him in the spotlight like that?

              Those kids are messed up as the product of two egocentric Hollywood weirdos, for sure. And I'm suspicious and  uncertain of Allen's true nature; we know enough to keep our kids away from him and avoid hero-worship -- but we don't know enough to to condemn and the possibility exists that the child-molestation accusation was created by his ex-girlfriend to get back for the shitty way he treated her by leaving her for her daughter.

              Cad, definitely. Criminal? You might be wrong. I know personally how circumstance can hang a man and be 100% wrong.

              If Jesus had a gun, he'd be alive today.

              by PBJ Diddy on Tue Jan 14, 2014 at 05:14:14 AM PST

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              •  There seem to be diametrically opposing views of (1+ / 0-)
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                … the truth regarding this point:

                never lived with Farrow
                Other commenters and presumably the diarist dispute that, asserting the exact opposite: that it's a well-known verifiable fact that Allen and Farrow were de facto living together for a period of time.

                The Dutch kids' chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen wishes all the world's children freedom from hunger, ignorance, and war. ♥ ♥ ♥ Forget Neo — The One is Minori Urakawa

                by lotlizard on Tue Jan 14, 2014 at 06:06:11 AM PST

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                •  Yes, we dispute the "living together" claim (1+ / 0-)
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                  They do it in layers; like global warming deniers. They try the big lie first and then ratchet back if they discover you know some facts:

                  H(ater): Woody Allen married his stepdaughter.
                  N(on)H(ater): Uhh no, Woody Allen & Mia Farrow were never married. Soon-Yi is not his step- or adopted- daughter.
                  H: Well they presented themselves as man & wife, Common Law marriage.
                  N: No, they never publicly presented themselves as married or otherwise met the legalities of Common Law marriage.
                  H: They were engaged.
                  N: Nope.
                  H: Well they lived together as a family.
                  N: No, never. In fact, Farrow did not restrict her “dating” to Woody Allen. I assume Allen played as well; certainly by the last few years of their relationship they were hardly dating each other at all except for meals oriented around two subsequent OTHER children they had adopted together, and the natural child Allen had been told was his.
                  H: They adopted Soon-Yi and raised her together.
                  N: No. Farrow (then married to Previn) was a serial adopter (admirable, 9 in total along with 4 biological, good for her) and had adopted Soon-Yi two years before she started dating Allen. Woody Allen had neither then, nor ever, any family or legal relationship whatsoever with Soon-Yi.
                  H: Well, Soon-Yi was raised from a small child with Allen as an important figure.
                  N: Soon-Yi was about 8 years old by the time Allen & Farrow began dating. A complicating factor here is that Soon-Yi’s birth date, even the year, is unknown, only estimated by bone scan (with an accuracy range of 3 years), and the ages for her tend to use the later birth date (making her the youngest end of the range). She herself does so. She could actually be a year or two older, but not younger.
                  H: Woody Allen took pornographic pictures of Soon-Yi when she was 14 years old.
                  N: The pictures were nude but not pornographic, and she asked Allen to take those pictures when she was 20 years old (she says; others say 19; 18 would have been legal even if they WERE pornographic).
                  H; 15 years old, 16 years old, 17 years old.
                  N: No. No. No. The principals say no and no evidence to the contrary.
                  H: Woody Allen molested another child, seven years old.
                  N: Mia Farrow claims that, but a panel of experts employed during the custody battle said no sign.
                  H: But the judge said he was guilty anyway.
                  N: No, the judge said he found the panel’s findings inconclusive. Allen has never been found guilty of anything along these lines; and these are custody charges anyway.
                  H: But there were witnesses to sexual abuse.
                  N: Farrow’s friends and family have described Allen’s attention as creepy. He once was seen in public applying sunscreen to the upper portion of the kid’s bottom. Das it.
                  H: The child said it was all true, and more, on tape.
                  N: Yes; the tape also shows Farrow clearly coaching; and this tape was seen by the judge when he ruled “inconclusive.”
                  H: But the kid says so still, to this day.
                  N: Yes, the whole Farrow side of the family (and friends) fervently declare it. Continually. Frank Sinatra offered to have some guys break Woody Allen’s legs. They BELIEVE it.
                  H: Attic, attic, attic!!!
                  N: The period of time (the two were out of sight) was between 5-15 minutes and most likely at the short end; no evidence it ever happened. Allen says he didn’t even know where the attic was and is claustrophobic and would never go there if he knew. It’s possible. Score one for the haters.

                  •  Correcting my error: 5 years old instead of 7 (0+ / 0-)

                    I said Mia Farrow claimed Allen sexually abused the child at age 7. The child was 7 when Farrow made the accusation but she said it had happened 2 years earlier when the child was 5.

                    I wish these things could be edited.

                    I apologize for my error.

                  •  that's the best you've got to defend a pedophile? (0+ / 0-)

                    "haters" - well, yes, i DO "hate" pedophiles.

                    and, yes, i DO "hate" men who go after the children of the women they are sleeping with...

                    and, yes, i DO "hate" child abuse...

                    and, yes, i DO "hate" the betrayal of trust between a child and an adult parent figure...

                    and, yes, i DO "hate" that seemingly intelligent people fawn over and make excuses for the sorry example of a human being that is woody allen.

                    EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

                    by edrie on Tue Jan 14, 2014 at 08:31:46 PM PST

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              •  did YOU marry your "accuser" - a child who was (0+ / 0-)

                decades younger than you are?

                don't excuse this bastard because you had someone falsely accuse you.  he doesn't deserve it.

                EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

                by edrie on Tue Jan 14, 2014 at 07:38:28 PM PST

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        •  I try not to associate movie characters with real (1+ / 0-)
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          people.  Results in disappointment, and with the price of entertainment these days, it's a bad investment, not to mention a real time-waster, writing all those futile letters demanding a refund.

          Ted Cruz president? Pardon my Vietnamese, but Ngo Pho King Way.

          by ZedMont on Tue Jan 14, 2014 at 06:11:02 AM PST

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    •  I mean...okay, Charlie Chaplain: Funny (2+ / 0-)
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      Buster Keaton: funny
      Ed Sullivan: sometime funny
      George Carlin: funny

      Woody Allen: "Uhh...mmmm...ahhh...uhhh....mmm.aaahhhhh...eeeehhhh..uhhhh...uhhhh..mmmm...aaahhhhh.mmmmmm...ahhh....uh...did he say "didyou want coffee?" cuz...ahhhhh...ahhhh...ahhh..ummmm...uhhhh...."that seems forced...d'jew....did JEW want coffee?" aaahhhh...ahhh..ahhhh.. aaahhhhhh...ummmm...uhhhh...aaaahhhh...yeah...."


      ...I guess what I'm saying

      •  I think that you actually think that (8+ / 0-)

        what defines something as funny is whether you think it is funny. Something being funny is an entirely personal experience. It turns out that for millions of people, Woody Allen is very funny, and in addition, is a great artist and storyteller. To you he is not.

        Not very interesting diary, really.

      •  I remember I loved this from Annie Hall: (12+ / 0-)

        Flashback to Alvy at 9 years old at the psychiatrist's office.

        Doctor in Brooklyn: Why are you depressed, Alvy?

        Alvy's Mom: Tell Dr. Flicker.

        [Young Alvy sits, his head down - his mother answers for him]

        Alvy's Mom: It's something he read.

        Doctor in Brooklyn: Something he read, huh?

        Alvy at 9: [his head still down] The universe is expanding.

        Doctor in Brooklyn: The universe is expanding?

        Alvy at 9: Well, the universe is everything, and if it's expanding, someday it will break apart and that would be the end of everything!

        Alvy's Mom: What is that your business?

        [she turns back to the doctor]

        Alvy's Mom: He stopped doing his homework!

        Alvy at 9: What's the point?

        Alvy's Mom: What has the universe got to do with it? You're here in Brooklyn! Brooklyn is not expanding!

        Doctor in Brooklyn: It won't be expanding for billions of years yet, Alvy. And we've gotta try to enjoy ourselves while we're here!

        I loved it because I could really identify with young Alvy.  I realize not everybody would.  He's a bright child and he's a bit spaced out and neurotic and hard for adults to understand because it seems so silly.
        •  This is the aspect of Allen's work (2+ / 0-)
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          that I found appealing.  I remember finding out that our sun would one day engulf the earth and being worried about it for days.  Other children I knew wouldn't have given it a second thought.

          "To see both sides of a quarrel, is to judge without hate or alarm" - Richard Thompson

          by matching mole on Tue Jan 14, 2014 at 04:50:52 AM PST

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        •  skewering (1+ / 0-)
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          I think it helps to say here that this scene is a relentless skewering of the ignorant, boorish, insensitive and anti-intellectual behavior of the Mom and the Doctor.

          Alvy is actually right, though he's too young to deal with the reality or put things into perspective.

          This exact same thing happened to my husband when he was little. He became very concerned when he realized the sun would die out some day; his f--ing parents sent him to a psychiatrist and then meddled inappropriately in the treatment.

          They still don't get along, to put it mildly.

          Where in the Constitution does it say: "...on behalf of corporate interests" ???

          by sillia on Tue Jan 14, 2014 at 08:22:17 AM PST

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          •  Alvy's on the right track, definitely. (0+ / 0-)

            I'm not saying, on the right track to stability, but his question is spot on.  If the universe is ephemeral, what's the point of everything?  Including homework.  That could come straight out of book of Ecclesiastes.

      •  well, it helps if you're from new york (2+ / 0-)
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        Or if you're from the New York that used to exist back then.

        It's not really there any more.  Half of the people in Manhatten seem to think Noah's makes bagels.

        •  i'm from ny and was FROM ny when allen hit the (2+ / 0-)
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          screen.  i looked at annie hall and went "duh!" -
          "la dee da!  la dee da!!!"  

          give me a BREAK!  i thought the films sucked then and still do - and, now, after seeing the devolution of allen into his perversity, i STILL can't stand his movies.

          none of them.

          never liked them, thought them stoopid... like how "chorus line" was SUPPOSED to be about dancers while it was really how outsiders thought dancers were really like.  all projected fantasies that missed the mark by a mile!

          EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

          by edrie on Tue Jan 14, 2014 at 12:31:07 AM PST

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      •  Exactly.... (0+ / 0-)

        Humor is in the mind of the beholder....
        Personally, I don't find Ed Sullivan particularly funny, nor do I care for Buster Keaton's humor.  I don't care for Monty Python, or the 3 Stooges, or Laurel and Hardy.  
        I appreciate Charlie Chaplin (who, btw, had some difficulties with the young ladies himself) on some level (I like some films and others, ehhhh) and I find George Carlin ironically funny.
        It's their humor I like, or don't like.
        As for any of their personal lives....well, art is full of folks you wouldn't really want to meet or have in your well-ordered lives.  But, their art, whether you like it, or not is memorable.

        I think, therefore I am........................... Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose....AKA Engine Nighthawk - don't even ask!

        by Lilyvt on Tue Jan 14, 2014 at 05:27:52 AM PST

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      •  agree with Carlin, but (2+ / 0-)
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        chaplin didnt wear well with time
        sullivan never wore well to begin with

        and then there is my alll time favorite film maker Keaton.
        a genius. but most of his films were not really all that funny, just incredible visual experiences.

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