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  •  yup, I switched to cfl for lighting years ago and (7+ / 0-)

    saved a ton of dough since.....however there is still a place for incandescent bulbs which is why I wish they hadn't banned manufacture or import...people were changing anyway since the bulbs have gotten so cheap.

    A CFL floodlamp is cheaper than an incandescent at the Home Despot......I cut my outside lighting from over 5oo watts to under 200 and doubled my lamps...it cut the bill so much I've got into the bad habit of forgetting to turn them off so often the go 24-7 for weeks at a time...have only had to change 3-4 in about 4 years or so and a couple of those were physically broken...and nope, I didn't call hazmat...snort....I called the dustpan and broom and got on with life.

    Hell we used to play with mercury in school, now break a thermometer and the school is locked down and decontaminated....a tich of overkill if you ask me.....

    Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
    I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
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    by buddabelly on Tue Jan 14, 2014 at 09:54:45 PM PST

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    •  Mercury (6+ / 0-)
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      We used to play with it, too. I'm sure I did in some damage, but then I took a bunch of other risks back then, too. Glad I'm here.

      And daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg County Down by the Green River where Paradise lay. Well, I'm sorry my son, but you're too late in asking Mister Peabody's coal train has hauled it away. John Prine

      by high uintas on Tue Jan 14, 2014 at 10:18:52 PM PST

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    •  I will sound right wing here but there is many (8+ / 0-)

      situations where incandescents are still useful...
      that low gentle heat being one. (Hey, what do they use in easy bake ovens?)

      Have to say it even more now reading about LED bulb issues.

      They aren't the only light bulb that can't handle enclosed spaces well
      Here

      Do not use standard CFLs in recessed cans and air-tight enclosed fixtures.
      CFLs are more sensitive to heat than ordinary bulbs.Unless your CFL is specifically rated for use in air-tight enclosed fixtures and recessed cans, the heat build-up will harm the electronic ballast and can dramatically shorten its life
      .
      They also are tremendously shortened by vibration (like fans), being on for a shorter time than about 20 minutes, very low or high temp environment, don't work with dimmers
      (
      Even if you leave the dimmer switch up all the way, it will still shorten the life of an ordinary CFL
      .
      (For some of these things like dimmers, temps... there are some specially marked, harder to find, more expensive.)
      Oh.. and old wiring. That is mentioned on linked page too.
      I have yet to find a 3 way cfl that isn't huge and or horrid btw

      Some things aren't mentioned... like
      Ultraviolet Leaks from CFLs
      (In about all bulbs tested, tiny flaws in coating. Only tiny UV amount,strongest suggestion was maybe not close to skinfor long period like bedside reading.

      Then the link between CFL and migraines. Link doesn't prove anything, I am just looking for some not insane mention of things I am bringing up. The reason I even looked into it was because of the experience of many migraine sufferers. (It shocks me how many people get migraines, but that is another story)
      One told me about removing CFLs per doctors suggestion to see if it reduced incidence, mentioned subtle flickering that isn't really visible but can trigger those sensitive. Made a huge difference... and those she told and those I told...
      These aren't right wingers... these are those trying to go green who didn't tie the change to CFL with increased headaches...
      I don't get migraines but I sure do not dismiss this.

      Then there is having to recycle them. They aren't picked up curbside or at many convenient locations. For those without a car, the lederly or disabled... its a big deal.

      Then there is this...
      I know we figure savings by how long these expensive bulbs last.
      Which would be true if they did... I mentioned at some gathering mine weren't lasting and there was loud agreement. Now I am sure it is for many of the reasons listed above... For me I didn't have enclosed lights but until I extended the ceiling light shades to give them a couple more inches of space they sometimes didn't last a month. They still do not last a year. And what about the places where you need light for a couple minutes at a time? And I do have old wiring and no spare money...

      I am all for going green but I am shocked at the lack of improvement on these issues even after all these years and now incandescents that dO best in some cases will be fading out
      I really thought there would be better options by now. Maybe there are and I don't know?
      I buy an LED now and then when they are well reviewed and there is a sale.

      But when it comes to CFL I sound like a right winger even though I am not making shit up.

      •  I am not sold on CFLs though I use them (3+ / 0-)
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        liberally in certain environments around my home and outbuildings.  I do not use them in small enclosed spaces with high reflectivity or bounce because the flickering does trigger migraines for me.  

        I also don't like the light temperature (light color) of either the CFLs or the LEDs.  I have a backstock of incandescent bulbs and have purchased halogens but look forward to some new technology that does not flicker like the tungsten burners and produces more efficient light with less heat at a pleasing color temperature.  

        Thanks for your comment.

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        by Uncle Moji on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 09:50:15 AM PST

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      •  This diary is much ado about nothing. (0+ / 0-)
    •  Mercury in toys (1+ / 0-)
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      I had a little handheld plastic maze toy when I was a kid, with a transparent plastic top.  What you rolled around in the maze was a blob of mercury.  That was probably in the 1958 or 1959.  I don't know why I'm not dead already.

      Warren/Grayson 2016! Yes We Can!

      by BenFranklin99 on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 10:13:55 PM PST

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