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  •  the only thing obnoxious is this reply. (0+ / 0-)

    structurally, it could have been appended to anyone who didn't accept the inferences Bobby drew from the links, not just Inland.   The sooner people recognize nobody has a monopoly on "reality," the better.

    Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

    by Loge on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 08:59:17 AM PST

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    •  Who are you kidding? n/t (9+ / 0-)

      "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

      by bobswern on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 09:05:02 AM PST

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    •  Inferences? (8+ / 0-)

      You mean the inferences that the guy literally said that there is content in the metadata?

      If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

      by AoT on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 09:13:11 AM PST

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      •  The inference that (1+ / 0-)
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        Morrell's statement about metadata plus reports of access to fibre optic networks entails that Morrell's really saying that the NSA reads everyone's e-mails and listening to everyone's phone calls, per the last sentence of the diary.  Morrell said nothing of the sort.  If I call a pizza delivery service at 7:30 pm, you can draw a reasonable guess as to why.  If I get a call from an Afghani training camp and then call a student in a flight school, same thing.  But where's the encroachment on legally protected privacy interest in either case?

        Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

        by Loge on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 09:23:38 AM PST

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        •  So you and inland are infering (6+ / 0-)

          that he can't mean that they get access to content in metadata even though he said that. You're literally inferring the exact opposite of what he said.

          If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

          by AoT on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 09:26:14 AM PST

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          •  Inland and I are actually different people, (0+ / 0-)

            just to clarify, but Morrell is not saying "get access to content," he's saying metadata is, itself, information, which is linguistically true.  I don't know that he can't have meant it, but it seems extremely unlikely.

            Ok, bored now.

            Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

            by Loge on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 09:34:35 AM PST

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            •  He said that metadata is content (3+ / 0-)
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              in many cases. There is content in what the NSA calls metadata, I've bee saying this for a while. I can guarantee they, or some other agency, is also collecting content, they just don't "collect" content. They promise. They gather it up and then swear not to read the stuff from Americans.

              I realize you are different people, you're much to reasonable to be the same person:) I only grouped the two of you because I thought you were making the same inference. Thanks for the clarification.

              If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

              by AoT on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 09:44:38 AM PST

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              •  i just wanted to be extra clear :) (0+ / 0-)

                I'm supposedly in a "crew" with him or her, despite not being convinced her or she is even real.  You might not be real either :)

                The trouble with the "nobody follows the law 100% of the time anyway," is it overdetermines the issue.  What should the law be for the 60% of the time (deliberately low number)  the agency does?  Whether or not metadata are "content" doesn't add up to an admission that the NSA is collecting and analyzing all content, including of the type they disavow the legal right to collect sans warrant.

                Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

                by Loge on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 10:13:26 AM PST

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                •  I'm definitely not real! (1+ / 0-)
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                  I don't even believe in real, reality is socially constructed;)

                  And my point wasn't that nobody follows the law 100% of the time, it was that the NSA is telling us that no one broke that law, and that's simply unbelievable. Similarly, they are saying they don't collect content, except now they do. It's just a drip drop of new lies.

                  And no, it isn't an admission that they are collecting all content. But they are collecting all content, they just use a different definition of collect so that they can claim they aren't collecting it. But they get the data.

                  If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

                  by AoT on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 10:42:18 AM PST

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