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  •  No, text messages are sent (4+ / 0-)

    as metadata. Metadata is whatever the people who programmed the system call metadata, and this includes text messages, SMS to be specific.

    If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

    by AoT on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 09:23:17 AM PST

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    •  Yes but that is not the (0+ / 0-)

      actual "hey, AoT, what are you doing?" part of the message.

      Health insurance is not health care.

      by Jarrayy on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 09:25:00 AM PST

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      •  Yes, it is that part of the message (3+ / 0-)
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        Text messages are metadata. That's how they work. If the government has a legal right to metadata then they have access to text messages. It in the same data set as metadata.

        If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

        by AoT on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 09:27:29 AM PST

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      •  Yes, it is. (4+ / 0-)
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        Text messages are piggybacked on communications the phone would already be making with the cell phone towers. That's why there's such a profound limit on the number of characters and why phones that allow longer text messages often have them show up at the recipient's phone as multiple texts of traditional length.

        It's approximately the same thing so far as metadata goes as the old commercial where someone calls collect and says their name is "Wehadababy Itzaboy" so the recipient doesn't have to pay for a full phone call to know that the caller has a newborn son, only in a way that isn't actually cheating the phone system.

        •  Ugh (0+ / 0-)

          After I send this message I am going to go get a cup of coffee and come back to my desk and open a Content Management System. I am going to look at a number of records (bot image/text, image only and text only) and then add to these records various types of info, from info such as dates and place names, to "guideposts" that link  to the top level data. Those who use our service never see he metadata, and I doubt the majority even know it exists.

          As someone who has been a metadata analyst since 2007 I think I know what I am talking about. Metadata is data that is not visible on the surface. So the actual content the text message in question is not meta. But all the other stuff beneath it is the metadata.

          BTW in case anyone thinks I am talking about anything nefarious, I am in academics -- which may be nefarious in other ways. Ha.

          Health insurance is not health care.

          by Jarrayy on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 10:05:41 AM PST

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          •  Text messages are sent as metadata (0+ / 0-)

            and as such can legally be considered metadata. I realize that a normal definition of metadata would not include them, but this isn't a normal definition, it's a government definition. So yes, text messages shouldn't be considered metadata, but they are.

            If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

            by AoT on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 10:44:48 AM PST

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    •  What part of "metadata IS content" don't... (7+ / 0-)

      ...people understand? It's NOT just the information about the communication (whether it's Internet, text messaging, video, or a phone call). It's the CONTENT of the message, itself.

      Metadata is the spin word that's been used by the government for the past year, to dance around (lie about) the reality that it's the content of the communication, as well.

      This has been self-evident to virtually anyone that has been following this sideshow (and, for over a decade prior to when anyone first heard the name, Edward Snowden, too), except for those in denial. Queue trolls: "He's linking to his own diary!" As opposed to acknowledging the fact that the diary/post maintains roughly a DOZEN, extremely credible sources/links that have been telling us/reporting this very thing for many, many years!

      "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

      by bobswern on Wed Jan 15, 2014 at 09:33:59 AM PST

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