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  •  Yes.. we are all aware of Newton's Laws (0+ / 0-)

    but this is a deriviative of the Fischer-Tropsch process.  This has been around since the 1920's.  Germany used this process extensively to generate synthetic fuels during WWII.

    There are commercial scale plants running this process in the US, China, Middle East, Scandanavia, and others.

    Syntroleum is a US company that has been working for years to generate Fischer-Tropsch jet fuel and has already demonstrated it in the field fueling live B-52 take-offs and landings with a 50/50 blend of standard Jet Fuel and their synthetic product.

    It typically relies on Hydrogen and Carbon Monoxide.  The company that says they have a working model to use at sea says their process is "a bit different".  The Hydrogen they will get from splitting the water, but I am unclear as to whether they've found a way to use CO2 (doubtful given how stable that molecule is) or has a way to catalyze a process to produce CO as needed.

    Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

    by Wisper on Mon Jan 20, 2014 at 05:07:31 AM PST

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    •  non sequitur? (0+ / 0-)

      "…we are all aware of Newton's Laws…but this is a derivative of the Fischer-Tropsch process."

      (a) Newton's laws have nothing to do with this. It's simple chemistry and the energy of reactions. Are we all aware of those laws, too?

      (b) Why does the name of the process matter? Are you saying that Fischer-Tropsch violates the laws of chemistry and thermodynamics to give us free energy? No matter how you slice it, "generating" jet fuel from water and carbon dioxide is a net energy-negative process. That was my entire point.

      It's kind of like the breathless news stories you see about the "engine that runs on water". They leave out the part about the massive amounts of electricity needed to convert the water into hydrogen and oxygen.

      What is valued is practiced. What is not valued is not practiced. -- Plato

      by RobLewis on Mon Jan 20, 2014 at 06:42:13 AM PST

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      •  Yeah.. I got it (0+ / 0-)

        and my point was not that this was a miraculous perpetual motion machine of free energy.

        It is an almost 100-year old process which, if viably adapted to an on-site system that can be used at sea, could displace a chunk of the invested energy costs of extracting/refining/transporting/trying not to spill the current version of toxic liquid upon which our Navy currently relies.

        It also provides a way to source jet-fuel chemically from the materials in sea water through a prescribed catalytic process rather then drilling and pumping out more fossil fuel from depleting reserves.

        The chemical process is no doubt net-negative, as it is veritably required to be per the laws of physical science.  But the PROCESS could be a net-positive if it diminishes the need for hauling jet-fuel to remote patches of ocean to be transferred from ship to ship all around the world.

        Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

        by Wisper on Mon Jan 20, 2014 at 06:57:35 AM PST

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