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  •  Poppy is not heroin. Coca is not cocaine. Go do a (4+ / 0-)
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    little basic research before making an ass out of yourself on the interwebz.

    “In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.” Terry Pratchett

    by 420 forever on Fri Jan 17, 2014 at 08:46:37 AM PST

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    •  And an old fashioned hemp plant (0+ / 0-)

      is not today's designer bud.

      I'll stop calling him Boner when he stops saying I belong to the Democrat Party.

      by al23 on Fri Jan 17, 2014 at 08:50:59 AM PST

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      •  Hemp is used for rope. The stoner version has been (4+ / 0-)
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        cultivated for its physiological efects for 5000 years. Just because the USA is only now cultivating the more potent strains does not make them a new and dangerous entity.

        Life is just a bowl of Cherries, that stain your hands and clothes and have pits that break your teeth.

        by OHdog on Fri Jan 17, 2014 at 08:56:25 AM PST

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        •  Splittng hairs (0+ / 0-)

          The stuff I grew in my moms attic back in the 70's bears no resemblance to the high tech hydroponically grown bud they cultivate today.

          Plenty of technology applied, just like with Heroin and Coke. (I think they've smoked opium for a long time too)

          I'll stop calling him Boner when he stops saying I belong to the Democrat Party.

          by al23 on Fri Jan 17, 2014 at 09:19:11 AM PST

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          •  Splitting hairs is right (0+ / 0-)

            Pot diaries tend to become like RKBA diaries .

            Obama 2012 http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/

            by jiffypop on Fri Jan 17, 2014 at 09:26:12 AM PST

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          •  Except that if you plant a seed of this (3+ / 0-)
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            "high tech" magic herb on the gound, it will turn into a plant. Just like the stuff you allegedly grew in your mom's basement back in the 70's (which I doubt you did).

            “In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.” Terry Pratchett

            by 420 forever on Fri Jan 17, 2014 at 09:26:31 AM PST

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          •  Sorry you were a poor pharma-farmer According to (3+ / 0-)
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            reports

            The European Monitoring Centre For Drugs and Drug Addiction (EMCDDA), in their July 2004 report titled "An Overview of Cannabis Potency in Europe" noted the following:
            "The available data do not show any long-term marked upward trend in the potency of herbal cannabis or cannabis resin imported into Europe.
            The effective potency in nearly all countries has remained quite stable for many years at around 6-8%. The only exception has been the Netherlands where, by 2001-2002, it had reached 16%....[I]t must be assumed that the quality of herbal cannabis consumed in the USA more than twenty years ago was unusually poor, but that in recent years it has risen to levels typical of Europe. So even the modest increase found by ElSohly et al. (2000) may be less significant than it seems.

            Life is just a bowl of Cherries, that stain your hands and clothes and have pits that break your teeth.

            by OHdog on Fri Jan 17, 2014 at 09:31:07 AM PST

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          •  It is this way because of the drug war (3+ / 0-)
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            It became more powerful and more high tech because of the drug war. There's a prohibition mindset that created a stronger high. Had the drug war not been in place, it's less likely to have become as jacked up as it has.

            There's a decent chance these "less powerful" strains will become more used rather than their more jacked up "relatives" the farther we move away from prohibition.

    •  Fine pothead (2+ / 3-)
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      Khat
      Shrooms
      peyote

      and of course you are dead wrong about poppies since the produce raw opium that is smoked all over the world in its "natural" state.

      Coca is used in its raw state also.

      You can pretend that the pot you smoke occurs naturally but it is the product of extensive genetic engineering to increase its effects...no different than refining opium into heroin.    

      But you keep smoking your pot......

      It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

      by ksuwildkat on Fri Jan 17, 2014 at 09:21:00 AM PST

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      •  Hide rating for belligerence (3+ / 0-)
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        and also outright ignorance.

        •  Dammit, ya made me uprate (1+ / 0-)
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          Disagreeing with someone is not grounds for an HR.

          Is "pothead" a derisive term? I see far too many people talking about their marijuana use to think that it is.

          So, reluctantly uprated.

        •  ksuwildkat is, I think, completely wrong in this (0+ / 0-)

          argument - but still not HRable.

          When you name yourself "420 forever", you're setting yourself up to be called "pothead".

          Much more importantly, 420 forever started the insulting:

          "There's so much garbage in your post that I don't even know where to begin."

          ksuwildkat gave a perhaps erroneous, but certainly civil response - and got back:

          "You just raised teh stupid up a big notch."

          Ignorance is, alas, not HRable. 420 forever started the belligerence. Your HR is bogus.

          "Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth" Samuel Johnson

          by Brecht on Fri Jan 17, 2014 at 08:23:36 PM PST

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      •  You said heroin was natural. Not me. (1+ / 0-)
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        Please justify keeping heroin illegal.  Like pot they are "natural" and like pot they have medical uses.  
        Unless you are unable to differentiate heroin from opium.

        “In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.” Terry Pratchett

        by 420 forever on Fri Jan 17, 2014 at 09:28:42 AM PST

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      •  Wow Davissfr (1+ / 0-)
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        you HR and dont even present a counter argument?

        Please tell me which of those other "natural" drugs should be just as legal as pot?  Please tell me how we dont slide down that slippery slope that results in legal recreational drugs for all?

        And please dont tell me its for "pothead."  Anyone who calls themselves "420 Forever" is not going to deny any part of "pot head"

        It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

        by ksuwildkat on Fri Jan 17, 2014 at 09:30:04 AM PST

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        •  "Slippery Slope" is always BS (4+ / 0-)

          first of all, I've been responding to you all over this thread, go look.

          So if gay marriage is legalized are we on a "slippery slope" to animal-human marriage and all combinations of legal polygamy?

          Heroin and cocaine are both far more dangerous than pot, they are highly physically addictive and a signifcant amount of crime can be attributed to their use. In other words, it is not just the harm one does to oneself but to others that differentiates these drugs and this is a very reasonable basis for legality.

          Telling people who are putting up arguments against your stance against reefer legaliziation to "go smoke more" and such is clearly belligerent. Hence the hide rating.

          •  Careful (0+ / 0-)

            You are starting to sound like a ditto head.  But for the record, I believe the sudden and near total change by the LDS church in opposing same sex marriage is related to polygamy.  I cant think of a civil, legal argument to polygamy and I dont think it is right to impose the Christian version of things at the expense of the Muslim one.  

            The animal stuff is pure TeaPublican BS.

            I agree that heroin and cocaine are worse.  The synthetics are worse still.  But the basic arguments for pot - my body, its natural, etc - are all present for a whole host of bad things.  

            Want to get stoned?  Come up with new reasons.  I suggest looking to beer commercials.

            It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

            by ksuwildkat on Fri Jan 17, 2014 at 09:55:37 AM PST

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            •  I'm using the polygany/beastiality examples (1+ / 0-)
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              to show you how weak your arguments are in saying that legalizing pot would lead to legalizing other, more dangerous drugs. I think that is pretty clear.

              If the only harm one does is to oneself by using a substance than it should not be illegal. If there is a high incidence of crimes against others when using a drug that is a very stron case against its legalization. There is no evidence at all pot use increases the likelihood of commiting crimes against others, there is plenty of evidence that use of cocaine, heroin, and several other drugs does.

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