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    NAIRN, LA, 12/19/13: An 18-year-old man hog hunting with two close friends accidentally shot them when he mistook them for the hogs he sought, Plaquemines Parish Sheriff Lonnie Greco said. The shots from the shotgun of Willie Evans struck and killed 18-year-old Galen Scott and injured 17-year-old Cody Jones. The incident occurred Thursday around 5:45 p.m. in Nairn, just south of Port Sulphur. According to Greco, deputies received a call of two people shot in Nairn and those who arrived on the scene found Scott suffering from wounds to the head and leg, he was pronounced dead on the scene. Jones was shot in the legs and was taken to the hospital where he underwent surgery. He is expected to make a full recovery. Greco said that based on interviews with Evans, Jones and other witnesses, it appears that the three friends went hog hunting in a wooded area and that prior to the trip, they had smoked marijuana. After the sun had set, Greco said that Scott and Jones began walking towards Evans and that he observed two objects about 75 feet away and, thinking they were the hogs they sought, he fired back-to-back rounds of buckshot from his gun, striking both young men.

    It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

    by ksuwildkat on Fri Jan 17, 2014 at 09:11:24 AM PST

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    •  A classic example of causal fallacy (7+ / 0-)

      You must've been drinking when you thought that this would serve as a good example of the "dangers" of marijuana.

      “In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.” Terry Pratchett

      by 420 forever on Fri Jan 17, 2014 at 09:14:51 AM PST

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      •  Thanks, no proof this was caused (2+ / 0-)
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        420 forever, flevitan

        by pot, and how many hunting accidents have occurred because of alcohol?

        •  If anything, the issue was probably caused by (2+ / 0-)
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          poor visibility:

          After the sun had set, Greco said that Scott and Jones began walking towards Evans and that he observed two objects about 75 feet away and, thinking they were the hogs they sought, he fired back-to-back rounds of buckshot from his gun, striking both young men.

          “In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.” Terry Pratchett

          by 420 forever on Fri Jan 17, 2014 at 09:30:23 AM PST

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        •  oh come on (1+ / 0-)
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          There is NO argument that drunk people do stupid things EVERY DAY.  Hell we have whole organizations that are dedicated to keeping people from making dumb decisions while drunk.

          Want to know why people are so resistant to legal pot arguments?  because the pot lobby pretends that people dont do dumb things while stoned.  No everything is happiness and safe while stoned.  When the pot lobby grows up and ADMITS that some people do dumb things while stoned and ADMITS that being stoned is something not every employer wants they will continue to be disregarded as adolescents.

          If people want to smoke pot its their choice.  I could care less if they do.  But pretending you can be a productive member of society and stoned every day is comical and NO DIFFERENT than saying you can be a productive member of society and DRUNK.

          There is a time and place to be impaired.  Its not while driving, working, hunting or a bunch of other activities.  Until the pot community admits that their impairment of choice is no different than any other drugs, they will be dismissed.

          It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

          by ksuwildkat on Fri Jan 17, 2014 at 09:41:44 AM PST

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          •  Where are we going? (2+ / 0-)
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            420 forever, flevitan

            Sorry to see I can apparently only HR you once.

          •  Define "productive". (5+ / 0-)
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            420 forever, Davidsfr, Bonsai66, BYw, flevitan
            But pretending you can be a productive member of society and stoned every day is comical and NO DIFFERENT than saying you can be a productive member of society and DRUNK.
            I was a housepainter for about twenty years. Just about everybody in that trade is stoned all day long.

            During that period, I bought my home, raised my daughter, paid my taxes, didn't cause any problems for anybody.

            Was I "not productive"?

            Today my job involves a lot more interaction with the public and a lot more math, so i don't work stoned anymore. Am I "more productive" now that I'm running a retail business?

            Serious question.

            •  and a lot of media companies and museums (2+ / 0-)
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              Remembering Jello, flevitan

              in NYC in the 80s and 90s (probably other decades too, this is just from my experience) were likewise staffed with people among whom you could find those who consumed marijuana along with their morning coffee.

            •  Yikes (0+ / 0-)

              As someone who is scared of heights I can't imagine painting while stoned.  I would guess that any workmans comp claim would be invalidated by the presence of drugs (or alcohol) in the system.  Im glad you had no adverse effects.

              So I look at this as a parent.  Would you want your child (as an adult) to go to work stoned?  Would you want your child (as an adult) to drive stoned?  If the answer is no, it is probably because you recognize that the risks of doing so are great.  What is a productive member of society?  One who doent place their own safety and the safety of others below the desire to be in a chemically altered state.

              It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

              by ksuwildkat on Fri Jan 17, 2014 at 10:15:54 AM PST

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              •  Well, this is actually an argument FOR (4+ / 0-)
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                legalization. Good luck buying legal weed if you're underage. Black market weed? I don't think the dealer will ask for your children's IDs.

                “In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.” Terry Pratchett

                by 420 forever on Fri Jan 17, 2014 at 10:22:00 AM PST

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              •  false equivalency with impairments (4+ / 0-)
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                I've been drunk, I've been stoned. Stoned is better.

                An auto magazine actually did an antecdotal study in the late 70s comparing people's driving abilities after drinking beer, drinking whiskey, and smoking pot. Although it could hardly be called conclusive, the indication was pot actually enhanced one's driving abilities. Beer and whiskey clearly did not.

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