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View Diary: When Jon Stewart & Diane Feinstein Both Blast the Israel Lobby, You Know the Game Is Changing (104 comments)

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  •  This is true... (1+ / 0-)
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    The dynamic in Israel is changing but I don't see that changing in a way that we totally appreciate. Of course, the whole region is changing in a way that we don't or won't appreciate so I would use that as a qualifier.

    •  If Bibi were willing (2+ / 0-)
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      whizdom, Koopatroopa

      to allow the negotiations to reach an agreement, he would lose Bateinu and Habayit Yehudi, but could probably count on Labor, Meretz and (with a little deal making) perpahps Shas  to prop up his government at least for purposes of seeing the deal go through.

      The problem (in my view) is that Bibi won't allow the negotiations to get that far down the road.

      •  negotiations (0+ / 0-)

        Not sure that Netanyahu can stop the negotiations train, short of creating some sort of national emergency, like invading a neighbor again.  
        Even Lieberman (Avigdor) sees it coming, either they cut a deal now, or a solution will be imposed.  
        He would jump.  

        •  Given his history (1+ / 0-)
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          I would fully expect Bibi to pull out all the stops to cause the negotiations to end in a train wreck.  I think he can find a way to derail it short of a national emergency. The other side is proceeding cautiously enough that it wouldn't take that much to blow the whole thing up.

          And it is clear that, by and large, Bibi and the Likud are not viewing the choices as deal now or solution imposed later. They act as if the choices are deal now or stick your head back in the sand and fuggetaboutit.

          Bibi won't truly commit to the negotiation train unless and until he is convinced it is in his own long term political interest to do so.

          Of course, here's hoping I'm wrong.

          •  Kerry is about to reveal (0+ / 0-)

            the US sponsored 'framework" this month.  Bibi can reject it, accept it conditionally, or try to buy more time.
            Rejection will make Israel more susceptible to BDS, or even diplomatic isolation.  BiBi will be blamed for this.

            If he event hints at considering anything involving territorial concessions, his government will fall.

             The Palestinians are going to the UNGA seeking statehood in Feb.  BiBi will be blamed for failing to prevent this.

            •  I don't think (1+ / 0-)
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              Bibi is so concerned about international pressure; it's the domestic political dynamics that he has his eye on. If he believes that embracing the US framework causes him political problems at home, he'll keep his distance from it.

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