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  •  The game he talks is barely (3+ / 0-)

    different from that of the last one.  Half of his appeal, however, is he wasn't Archbishop of Munich during one of the more publicized episodes of Church reticence on sexual abuse.

    •  I'm a fierce critic of this church, even (5+ / 0-)
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      since he's been pope, but I have to disagree that his rhetoric hasn't been different from Ratzinger's.  His words have lit up the left like no Pope has ever done.  He's espousing liberation theology, for crissake, and doing it very convincingly.  

      But I also have to agree that, to this point and with but few exceptions, it's all been words so far.  And this is the first glimmer of change that he's offered relative to the abuse cancer that still ravages the church.  He should have put this issue front and center from the start, so it's good that it's finally getting some air.  But the only thing that will give me real hope that he's going to get down to the hard work of excising the cancer is when priests start getting turned into the authorities with document troves to support criminal prosecutions.  Prior to that happening, it's still all just words.

      "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi, 6/30/07 // "Succeed?" At what?

      by nailbender on Fri Jan 17, 2014 at 05:58:12 AM PST

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      •  I think he's playing to his base... (4+ / 0-)

        ....while carefully manuevering around the reactionaries.

        The cool thing is that his base are people no one in his position has ever appeared to give a hoot about, and people WE are supposed to be concerned about as well, so he gets generally positive comment here.

        He's in charge, and he seems to be moving in positive directions, good on him. He could just as easily be a right wing tool and be in charge, but he aint.  

        "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

        by leftykook on Fri Jan 17, 2014 at 06:39:55 AM PST

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      •  The rhetoric isn't terribly different (2+ / 0-)
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        There are some different atmospherics, but beyond that Benedict preached the same social and economic orthodoxy Francis has.

      •  Is "Liberation theology" the stuff (0+ / 0-)

        the church was practicing on all those native cultures they destroyed?

      •  Now that he's cleaned house (4+ / 0-)
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        at the Vatican Bank, he can turn his attention to the next item on the agenda.

        I think early in the Papacy he had some pretty strong words regarding Bernard Law, and suggested he should get out of his cushy residence and into a monastery for prayer and penance. While it's not sending him back to Boston to face secular justice, it's a start. (I'll have to Google later to see if I remembered correctly -- I've got to run off to the doctor's soon.)

        There's only one rule that I know of, babies -- goddammit, you've got to be kind. -- Kurt Vonnegut

        by Cali Scribe on Fri Jan 17, 2014 at 08:33:01 AM PST

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      •  Liberation Theology & Pope Francis (3+ / 0-)
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        He's espousing liberation theology, for crissake, and doing it very convincingly.
        We'll see what Pope Francis has to say if and when the subject of Archbishop Oscar Romero comes up. Romero was assassinated in 1980 "practicing" liberation theology.
        After speaking out against U.S. military support for the government of El Salvador, and calling for soldiers to disobey orders to fire on innocent civilians, Archbishop Romero was shot dead while celebrating Mass at the small chapel of the cancer hospital where he lived. It is believed that those who organised his assassination were members of Salvadoran death squads, including two graduates of the School of the Americas.
        Romero, it could be argued, died because of our sins - and paranoia. Romero ought to be elevated to sainthood as a holy martyr.

        You meet them halfway with love, peace, and persuasion ~ And expect them to rise for the occasion...

        by paz3 on Fri Jan 17, 2014 at 08:42:20 AM PST

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        •  If he elevated Romero to "blessed" status (1+ / 0-)
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          Opus Dei heads would explode in every western hemisphere country.

          "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi, 6/30/07 // "Succeed?" At what?

          by nailbender on Fri Jan 17, 2014 at 09:49:56 AM PST

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