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  •  Are you saying the three actions taken caused (0+ / 0-)

    the homicide rate per capita to rise?  Because that's sure how it looks to me, and that is not scientific in the slightest.  It instead sounds to me like grasping for anything that would support your conception of why they went up without considering anything that might go against your beliefs (religion?)

    •  Some people are denser than others (7+ / 0-)

      Here is a chart from the Bureau of Justice Statistics.


      Please point to specific years in which major gun control laws were passed and show me a robust and consistent cause-and-effect relationship of these laws and the use of guns and the type of gun used for homicide.

      Hints:
      Firearm Owner's Protection Act(1986) - Extra penalties for use of firearm in a crime, extra penalties for illegal gun trafficking
      Crime Control Act(1990) - Criminal penalties for discharging a firearm in a school zone, restrictions on semi-automatic rifles
      Brady Handgun Violence Protection Act(1994) - Mandatory background checks for new firearm purchases (by all means claim a causal link to the drop in pistol use that was well in evidence before this law was passed)

      Then explain to me why a complete lack of new laws regulating the ‘knives’ category resulted in a drop in the rate of their use over the same time period.

      I'm not saying gun control laws cause the rate of gun crime to rise. I'm just saying that they don't seem to be related to the change in the crime rate at all. It would seem to be obvious that there is something at work other than simple availability or criminal penalties.

      Ignoring that fact in favor of "we need a new gun law!" is what would be closer to an unscientific, quasi-religious grasping at straws.

      •  Add to the fact that BJS stats show that (5+ / 0-)

        the time from first sale to first use in crime for a typical firearm is years. So even if Brady does appear to line up with the 1994 decline, Brady didn't (and still doesn't) act on the overwhelming majority of pistols that would be used in a crime.

        In "Point Blank", Kleck cites a metastudy on the effect of gun control on various issues, and the only one that had a small (if barely statistically valid) effect is that requiring people to buy guns from an FFL reduces, again ever so slightly, the number of people who commit suicide with a gun.

        Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath; μολὼν λαβέ - att. Leonidas I

        by Robobagpiper on Fri Jan 17, 2014 at 10:10:10 AM PST

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